graduate school advice

<p>I'm currently a sophomore a few credits away from junior status. I am a neuroscience major and plan to apply to medical school and/or graduate school. I am very aware of the medical school process but am less fluent in the graduate process.</p>

<p>I currently have a 3.9 gpa and am involved in behavioral neuroscience research. I may transfer this year to a more prestigious university where I hope to continue some sort of neuroscience related research. Currently, I am involved in a project and if I stay at my current university I will begin a thesis and hopefully present a post and defend my thesis in front of the committee. If I get some quality research done I may even have a chance to be published.</p>

<p>What I want to know is what are my options for graduate school, namely a doctorate program for neuroscience or neurobiology? I realize it is just as much, if not more, competitive than medical school and I am interested in the top seeded programs. What else should I be doing at this point to be competitive for names like Harvard or John Hopkins?</p>

<p>For the sake of discussion, I would like to stay on track with purely PhD programs and not MD/PhD. If I decide to go MD/PhD route (which I really am leaning towards) I will likely have to settle for less prestige and hopefully score a MSTP.</p>

<p>stay where you are, dont try to transfer and read this:</p>

<p>[Guide</a> to Applying to US Science PhD Programs and Fellowships](<a href=“http://djstrouse.com/guide-to-applying-to-us-science-phd-programs-and-fellowships/comment-page-1/#comment-560]Guide”>http://djstrouse.com/guide-to-applying-to-us-science-phd-programs-and-fellowships/comment-page-1/#comment-560)</p>

<p>this link will take you to the end of his guide / blog so scroll up to the top and read every word. </p>

<p>the student who wrote this 'How to guide" was accepted at every graduate program and also won a Churchill Scholarship to Oxford[ only 13 are awarded each year] . He was my sons roommate at USC and will be going to Princeton this coming Sept for his Phd In neurophysics.
My son is at CalTech studying for his PhD in Geophysics. As you can see- you DONT have to go to a “prestigious” UG university to be accepted at a toop graduate school.</p>

<p>Very nice read. Read most, skimmed the rest. It seems the graduate school process is VERY similar to the med school process differing in the % of acceptances after interviews.</p>

<p>One thing I noticed you said. Why should I not transfer to a more prestigious university? I didn’t have the best high school record and I will be the first to admit that. In doing so, I am attending a large public university. I have plenty of opportunities because there’s less competition, which I am very grateful for. The author of that article attended USC (Southern California?), which, to my knowledge, is quite a prestigious university and is nationally recognized. Can you honestly say that I would be treated the same way by admissions if I graduate from a <300 ranked university? This is honestly my main concern and the only thing that I feel would hold me back from top grad schools.</p>

<p>What matters most for admission to PhD programs is How much research you have done-
If you have been published before completing your UG degree you are golden.
And the LORs, and WHO writes them. If the prof who writes your LOR is well known in the field you are interested in studying, it doesn’t really matter what university he currently teaches at. What matters is who he knows and if he will write you a strong LOR.
So do a lot of research and start asking the profs at your current U who they know at the u’s and programs you want to apply to. And the most prestigious U’s won’t always have the top programs…
It is mostly the profs in grad school who decide which graduate students they want to work with . And that decision is based a lot on who you have worked with and the auality of your research.
Those are the students that are admitted.
Applying to grad school is a lot like applying for a job.</p>

<p>What do you mean, what are your options? If you want names of graduate schools, you will have to do like the rest of us and get to searching. Ask your current professors where the top behavioral neuroscience programs are; read journal articles and find out where the top people in your field are teaching and conducting research; search Google; look at the NRC rankings. There are lots of ways to find programs in your field.</p>

<p>Typically strong applicants have:</p>

<ol>
<li>Good grades. You have that.</li>
<li>High GRE scores. Study for them in your junior year and take them at the beginning of your senior year.</li>
<li>Strong letters of recommendation. You have some time, but begin thinking about who could write you strong letters. Continue to develop that research so your research mentor can write you one, or your thesis advisor. With any luck, they will be the same person.</li>
<li>Research experience. Single most important thing. You are already doing that - just continue, and get progressively more responsible tasks to do in the lab.</li>
<li>Strong personal statement. This and the LoRs, I would say, are tied for second in importance (and may switch depending on the program). Make sure that you can articulate the reasons you want a PhD in neuroscience and how that will help you in your career goals, as well as how your past research and education will make you successful in X program. You may want to write some drafts of a general statement over the summer between your junior and senior year, and start tailoring it for schools in the beginning of your senior year.</li>
</ol>

<p>Right now, as a sophomore, the only things you can do are continue to do research and making strong connections with professors, as well as keeping your grades up. Find a summer research experience if you can - most deadlines have passed, but a few may still be open or you may be able to form an informal one at your home school. Junior year, start early in exploring some programs. Start a spreadsheet with interesting programs and mentors. Then over that last summer you can start whittling the list down.</p>

<p>As for transferring - graduate schools are far more interested in WHAT you do in UG than where you go. They understand not everyone can afford a fancy-pants private uni, or that some kids who slacked in high school really found their passion and footing in college, or whatever else. What’s most important is your research, your grades, your letters, your statement, and your scores. (You can try to publish, but that’s not required - although it will make you look much better). I went to a good LAC, but not a prestigious one, and I am an at top 10 in my field Ivy for my PhD.</p>

<p>If you want to transfer because you already wanted to transfer out of your school for whatever reason, go ahead. But if you are happy where you are and are only transferring because you think it will make you look better for grad school, don’t. It won’t matter that much.</p>

<p>Agree – no need to transfer, unless you really are not happy with the quality of the education you are getting. You seem to be doing very well where you are, and likely have established good relationships with faculty at your current school. So why start over from scratch? What if the adjustment is harder than you expect and your GPA drops? What if you have trouble finding a new lab to work in?</p>

<p>Yes, all are very good reasons for deciding NOT to transfer. I have developed good relationships with a few of my science professors. I am definitely a big fish in a small (or large) pond at my current uni but that is partly because it is a “party” school. I have had great opportunities for research and for that I am extremely grateful for.</p>

<p>I love when people say that the prestige of your university does not matter when applying to graduate/medical schools, especially highly ranked schools. We live in a world that is infatuated with appearance and this is even prevalent in the science community where knowledge is supposedly the standard to go by. School names matter. It may not be by a large margin and of course test scores/gpa weighs more than school name, but, nonetheless, school prestige is accounted for. This relationship can be represented directly, or indirectly. For example, there is a higher chance that at the university I would like to transfer to that professors would have relationships with other professors at top universities. This is the main reason I am THINKING about transferring to a better school. The other reason being is that it is a beautiful school and the atmosphere is incredible.</p>

<p>I want to thank everyone for their input. My main concern was how the whole graduate process is handled and for the most part it has been summed up rather nicely. I am going to ask my PI and chemistry professor about their relationships with professors at other programs around the nation and I am going to ask for their advice on the subject.</p>

<p>Another thing. I am really confused about whether to choose medicine or traditional research. I consider myself a scientist at heart but I really love the concepts and applications of medicine. I still have another year before I really have to decide but damn I am completely dumbfounded. I have also always wanted to go into business. My uncle is a very successful IB and I have seen what he has been able to do for his family/himself. He is basically retired at the age of 43. I wish there was a test I could take to determine and decide for me haha.</p>

<p>MD/PhD is an option at many US medical schools. I’ve also heard of MD/MBAs. It’s tough and you have to be dedicated to both aspects, but you don’t have to get boxed in if you don’t want to.</p>

<p>Honestly, MD/PhD is what I really see myself doing. It’s just a VERY (x2 on the very) long time commitment. That is really what I see myself being the happiest doing. I want to contribute scientifically to the patients that I treat. If I were to choose the business route I would have to forego science and most likely major in finance. Which I could also see myself being happy doing and it’s less of a time commitment. I have a very extraverted personality and excel at math and science compared to the humanities so I always saw myself as a business person until I got to uni and fell in love with bio/chem/psych. I know in the end it’s me who will have to ultimately decide my path.</p>

<p>Got so off topic. Thread was supposed to be about PhD :D. I will probably go and talk to a finance adviser tomorrow and see if they can provide me some insight on the career to see if I would really enjoy it. Thanks all for the help. Especially the blog post! Just read over it more in depth and the info is really dense, but good.</p>

<p>You’re welcome! Good luck.
The young man who wrote that blog advice will be glad to know it helped someone else. Please pass it along to others.</p>