<p>Harvard had 3 slots last fall for lw women, so the coach told the girls on the two official visit weekends. 7:20’s times are the exception, not the rule. Remember, great 2k’s don’t always go hand-in-hand with the necessary academics. I know two lw women right now who are being actively recruited with times in low to mid-7:30’s. Of the girls D met on her several OV’s, one was at 7:30, the others above, up to 7:45. Of course, it must vary year by year… and from what Tallgirl reports, this is shaping up as a tough one… but there’s still a ways to go and things can change dramatically (D’s experience proved that to us).</p>
<p>To clarify: When I wrote this line near the end of my long post "…my 2K is not turning heads even though I have been welcomed to walk on as “With those excellent academic/EC stats, I’ll likely get in without any coach’s support.” …</p>
<p>I was sharing that exact Ivy coach quote, again not with hubris, but rather with disappointment as we all know getting into these schools without a coach’ slot/tip (or some other key “hook”) is akin to winning the lottery. </p>
<p>So yeah, my academic stats are good – likely even considered great by some – but so are the stats of 34,000 of the 35,000 kids who apply to Harvard; ERGo (<2K pun intended), my chances of getting into Harvard without their coach’s support are about 6% or less given all the time I have prioritized for rowing isntead of doing other big ECs in depth as many of the 34,000 have!</p>
<p>But I still have hope and I will pursue it, so thank you, again, for all your helpful advice and insights in here!! And good luck to all!!</p>
<p>Tallgirl,
you may want to contact OW coaches, especially if you are relatively tall (5’6" and above) because they may be interested in you. With respect to erg times, some coaches will do more accurate weight adjusting than simply 10 seconds slower than an OW (many OW are 50 lbs heavier than you, so 10 secs faster isn’t going to move the extra weight in the boat). Look at the concept2 site. There are obviously more OW programs, so fewer recruits for the slots to be filled. Also, while LW programs usually have 3-5 spots, OW will have at least 8, frequently twice the number of that, especially with top academics, not to mention that OW programs are considered by the administration to be ‘more important’ because it’s an NCAA sport and coaches have more pull.</p>
<p>Pretty sure Ivy crew programs welcome walkons, and who knows - maybe that potential can set you apart from the many, many highly academically qualified applicants, even if you don’t get a “slot”.</p>
<p>Just thought I would jump in and add to what has already been posted-</p>
<p>It is a good time for you to step back and really think about what you genuinely want out of college. It is very easy to accumulate credentials, and to forget about what it is you truly enjoy, and how you want to spend your college years. A lot of students these days seem to be trying to become what they think coaches and admissions committees are looking for, and they forget that college is a match to be made. From my brief experience as a parent of a rower who has applied to college this year, the Ivys/D1/etc are very different from each other, and so are the crew programs. Figure out which programs/colleges you are genuinely interested in, based on your academic/athletic goals, write to the coaches and visit the schools. Spread a wide net, and take a good look at all of them. </p>
<p>Every recruiting coach my D wrote to was happy to meet with us. She did not contact most of the coaches until the fall of her senior year, and UVA was the only one she didnt receive a reply from, (which is understandable because her 2k/size etc is not very impressive). You will be able to figure out pretty quickly those coaches who may be interested and those who arent. You will also get a sense of where you might be most happy and that will probably come through to the coach as well. With that said, keep working on your 2k and good luck.</p>
<p>Re. LW erg times: I’m not sure what to think of these 7:20s that are being thrown around. Unless they’re hiding somewhere, seems to me that there aren’t enough LW high school girls who erg in the 7:20s to fill all the recruiting slots, even if colleges only recruit 3-5/year.
For Princeton, one of the top LW women’s teams, the best FRESHMAN LW time at the end of winter training this year was 7:42, the best varsity LW was 7:25.
Looking at the past CrashBs, in 2010, one (from Germany) went under 7:30; in 2011, it was 4; at least two of them are not LWs during the season; in 2012, 3 went under/around 7:30, one’s a LW, one is 15 years old, so may not stay a LW).</p>
<p>Couldn’t agree more with beenthere2: I also looked at the Crash-B results for the past few years and noted that of the very few who pulled under 7:30, three are now rowing for Ivy openweight teams. Going under 7:30 for a true high school lw girl is pretty unusual and it’s not the new norm. D has achieved it as a senior, but last summer/fall as a recruit she was in the lowish 7:30’s and making the rounds of official visits she met/heard of precisely one lw who’d achieved a 7:30 2k as a junior. Of course, there could have been others she didn’t know of… but low 7:30’s to low-mid 7:40’s seemed to be the typical times for recruits. P.S. beenthere2, enjoyed the video you posted!</p>
<p>D has a friend recruited ED to Harvard LW this year, and my understanding is, as of last August, her 2k was in the 7:50’s. I also noticed she is from a rowing family near Princeton and the asst coach at Harvard is also from Princeton. I’m not suggesting anything except the fact the there are a lot of forces at play in these things.</p>
<p>[2011</a> CRASH-B Sprints Results](<a href=“http://www.crash-b.org/web/wp-content/uploads/results/2011/event-06L.html]2011”>2011 CRASH-B Sprints Results)</p>
<p>these are the scores…</p>
<p>2012 CRASH Bs :)</p>
<p>[2012</a> CRASH-B Sprints Results](<a href=“http://www.crash-b.org/web/wp-content/uploads/results/2012/event-LOpW.html]2012”>2012 CRASH-B Sprints Results)</p>
<p>The above is college…i was looking at HS</p>
<p>FYI, talked to the Harvard Lwt coach last month – he clearly indicated he is looking for a “SUB 7:40 by the end of junior year”… experience rowing for a ‘good’/top program and hopefully sculling experience too. Likely 3 or so recruiting slots like last year.</p>
<p>i like looking at both 
… and people here are also quoting freshman college rowers’ 2Ks … though I can;t find where/how Princeton and Harvard did in the 2012 Crash Bs, can you? i did meet a PU Lwt rower Last year who already had a 7:19 as a fresh or soph - forgot which.</p>
<p>goodluck to all – over and out :).</p>
<p>Does anyone have any advice for a lightweight freshman in high school looking to be on a college crew team someday? For instance, what times, how to be recruited, if I can even <em>be</em> recruited since my school doesn’t offer rowing etc…</p>
<p>[Videos</a> | Princeton Crew](<a href=“http://crew.princeton.edu/content/videos]Videos”>http://crew.princeton.edu/content/videos)</p>
<p>Best erg times for freshmen:</p>
<p>Men’s HW: 6.04
Men’s LW: 6:23.7</p>
<p>Women’s OW: 7:12.3
Women’s LW: 7:42.0 </p>
<p>Women’s LW Varsity: 7:25.</p>
<p>Princeton and Harvard LW did not go to CrashB.
If you look at CrashB 2012, you have for the fastest college women:</p>
<p>N. Bourassas, Jr. OW, Columbia, 7:14.1
K. McNeil, Jr. LW, GU, 7:17.3
Julia Ost, F, OW, Clemson, 7:23.2 (she’s from Germany)
S. Imsdahl, Jr. OW, Cornell, 7:24.1 U23 national team as LW
V. Stutz, Sr. LW, GU, 7:28.8
S. Giancola, Jr. OW Northeastern, 7:29.0<br>
K. Amano, Jr. OW Williams, 7:29.6
E. Boucher, Sr. UMass, 7:35.9 U23 national team LW</p>
<p>High school LW at midatlantic erg sprints, another big erg race: [Results</a> - MidAtlantic Erg Sprints](<a href=“http://www.ergsprints.com/results/2012/results.php?eventid=46&submit=View+Results]Results”>http://www.ergsprints.com/results/2012/results.php?eventid=46&submit=View+Results)</p>
<p>I think the point is that even if coaches tell you now that they are looking for under 7:40, they may change their tune come summer/fall.</p>
<p>beenthere2
all good info! thanks so much!!!</p>
<p>^agree with stalker mama. Very good info and thanks!</p>
<p>@MITobsession
If you’re interested in rowing but your school doesn’t have a team, you can take the following steps:
- Find out it there any rowing clubs/programs in your area. Many have Learn to Row days that allow you to see what rowing is all about. You may not even like it. They also may have summer programs and year-round programs. Here’s a link <a href=“http://www.bhfinder.com/[/url]”>http://www.bhfinder.com/</a>
- Look into a summer rowing camp, either sweep rowing or sculling. You will find camps at [Rowing</a> and Sculling for Rowers and Scullers - row2k.com](<a href=“http://www.row2K.com%5DRowing”>http://www.row2K.com) or by googling. Some may be day camps, but most will probably be overnight camps, so not very cheap.
- Do other sports, like swimming, cycling, running, volleyball, or anything that you’re interested in. Coaches will recruit athletes in other sports because it shows athletic skills as well as competitive spirit, experience, discipline, determination, cooperation, all transferable.
- See if you can find an ergometer and someone who can show you how to use it; but be forewarned: Most rowers regard erg training as a necessary evil.
- Be open to row on an open weight team. There are many more open weigh trowing teams, and you may not stay a lightweight forever.</p>
<p>great advice beenthere! While I love the sport (and, well, have to constanly tolerate the erg, lol), rowing has been glamourized in the movies of late, ERGo, garneriing lots of attention these days. Not everyone will enjoy it enough to endure the 5:00 am freezing practices nor the constant numerous blisters. Best to try it first and THEn worry abotu whether you’re recruitable or desiring to do it all 4 years in college.</p>
<p>Regarding Crash B results, remember that MANY of those rowing as “unaffiliated” are actually college rowers who didn’t identify their colleges when registering. It doesn’t help recruits much, unfortunately, to just go off of that list - the only way around it that I can think of would be to google those rowers with the top times, or times that relate to you, and then you could hopefully see quite quickly whose rosters these rowers are on.</p>