<p>There are a select few who are guaranteed to HYPMS. However, the ones I know only applied to H or got into HYPMS and chose H (refer to that Harvard v. Yale thread)</p>
<p>My limited experience is only from STS and Siemens beasts (people who win five or six figures in scholarships, I know one STS winner who got a likely letter from princeton in JANUARY despite not being an athlete...), don't know how it works outside of that. Besides, not all superstars apply to all of HYPSM.</p>
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just by having the following your acceptance probability will exceed 75%
1. Valedictorian at a competitive Private or Public school (any Shcool that sends > 20% students to Ivies + S + M + C)
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<p>BTW, why do you define the competitive schools only as the Ivies + a few others? Why are you not including LAC's?</p>
<p>With 35,000 high schools in the nation, how many public schools do you think there are that actually send > 20% students to Ivies et al? I bet there are no more than 100 in the whole country. Even if every single high school sent one kid to the Ivies, that's more than the spots available at the top schools.</p>
<p>POIH, do you think that schools penalize kids whose parents happen to only be able to afford "average" public high schools versus kids whose parents happen to be able to afford the "elite' public high schools where lots of kids get into elite schools? Because that's the parents' economic accomplishment, not the kid's.</p>
<p>vishnucmouli : According to my analysis any paid courses/ summer program that you can do are not considered as hook. These are not a negative but are not hook. If you don't do anything then that is negative. But if you have a chance to do something meaning full over a paid course then that is preferrable.</p>
<p>Summer after junior year is really very important you need to be involved in an activity that shows your passion whether by doing a paid course or by getting paid. How you are able to project it as part of the essay make it a step better.</p>
<p>Pizzagirl : You are drifting from the topic. I’m not analyzing whether Universities putting underprivileged students at a disadvantage position or not.
The sole purpose of this thread is to create a scenario under which a students has the maximum chances of getting into top school.
I’m just trying to convey to the OP one such combination. If you can achieve that then you have better than 75% chances of getting into HYP.</p>
<p>As per LAC's; I've not studied the admission processes at these schools and is not interested so I cannot speak about these colleges.</p>
<p>I've the habit of backing my statement with logic which I won't be able to do about LAC's as I've never taken any interest in these colleges.</p>
<p>No offense to him, but his EC's seem fairly weak. Many people have stated that being president of a school club is practically meaningless in Ivy League admissions. Of course, it never mentions whether he's a nationally ranked debater or something like that.</p>
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I’m just trying to convey to the OP one such combination. If you can achieve that then you have better than 75% chances of getting into HYP.
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<p>You may have a *higher chance than the current 10% or so that exists, but not a 75% chance. You still seem to think that this is India where it's just a function of the numbers and that there is some formula to get in.
You know what really ups your chances to the 75% level? Having a family who donates six figures or more. THAT's the kind of hook that gets you to that level of acceptance. </p>
<p>BTW, attending a public high school where kids aren't going to the Ivies doesn't mean an "underprivileged" background.</p>
<p>I know a girl that was valedictorian, was invited to RSI, got a perfect ACT score, got a 2380 on the SAT, got a perfect PSAT score, got a 4.0 unweighted GPA, got 5s on a bunch of AP exams, was an IB diploma candidate, won the state science fair like 2 times, was involved in multiple other ECs and volunteering....she got accepted to Harvard and MIT and other schools. She decided on Harvard.</p>
<p>We all wish that there was a perfect ticket in.</p>
<p>Pizzagirl: Don't mislead students; everyone knows it is not India. But you need to remember that there is logic behind admissions at Ivies and these colleges love private high schools.
Have you ever thought how come a tiny little South Korea can send so many students to these colleges from few handfull of private school?
You don't need to be Rocket scientist to figure it.</p>
<p>I believe that nobody has a 100% chance of getting in the Ivies, but... consider this candidate [theoretically]...</p>
<p>2400 SAT
240 PSAT
took every single AP exam and got a 5 on all of them
valedictorian
4.0 UW GPA
a leader in like all the clubs at their school
every other waking moment of their life was spent volunteering for something they're totally passionate about
played their instrument at carnegie hall multiple times
studied abroad
discovered a cure for a disease
stellar essays that blow the adcom's mind.
etc.</p>
<p>Could you REALLY turn somebody like that down?? I don't understand it.</p>
<p>Sure. Maybe they perceive that person as having been overly "programmed" by well-to-do parents, and not having a real spark, compared to someone who is less perfect.</p>
<p>true pizza girl, nd personality matters a lot, especially in interviews
i know kid who is ridiculously smart (we refer to him as the azn robot lol), but he was rejected at Brown and Upenn because he didn't have great interviews
I think adcoms are looking for kids who can communicate well</p>
<p>so this brings the next question. wat abt a person who had the stats Inveniamviam listed and a great personality on top of that??</p>
<p>this human/creature thinks so <a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/what-my-chances/527463-harvard-stanford-safeties-me-right.html%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/what-my-chances/527463-harvard-stanford-safeties-me-right.html</a></p>
<p>lol, i was just reading that, wat a <strong><em>ing troll
ppl like that should be banned from cc
try being humble *</em></strong></p>
<p>If your a pretty good athlete, not even amazing, committing, apparently is the way to go.
One girl from my school is going to princeton, with a 3.6 UW GPA, 4 AP's in total, only passed 2 of them.
She is going to princeton since she committed junior year because she was better than mediocre in soccer.
Someone else from my school got into Harvard with my same stats, again, by committing. Stupid athletes.</p>