<p>OK, you know you're junkies for these kind of stats. Let's play a little game called--let's guess what next year's admite rate will be (for 2017.)</p>
<p>As I noted elsewhere, the admit rate would drop to 11.7% from this year's 13.3, simply if the University assumes a 47% yield rate (accepting 2980 out of 25307 applicants = 1400 enrollees) Of course, the question is will the yield rate will remain flat or increase another 1 or 2 points minimum.</p>
<p>So 25,307 apps, 47% yield, 1400 students = 11.7% admit rate for 2017.</p>
<p>This all depends on their target class next year and when exactly Pierce is going to be demolished. Boyer said that he hopes the new dorm will be completed by 2017. Constructing South Campus, with delays, took about 4 years. I stand by what I wrote on another thread; I do think Pierce will be demolished as soon as the summer of next year.</p>
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<p>If this is the case, then the University must temporarily downsize its incoming class. I would say that the acceptance rate can be as low as 9.5% (Pierce demolished) or as high as 11.5% (they have to accept fewer students next year regardless).</p>
<p>To clear Pierce, you’d have to have a class size of about 1100, given the present housing constraints. With a rise of apps of 15-20% and anticipated yield of 50%, that means a 7% acceptance rate. The highest the admit rate will be next year is 11%.</p>
<p>Also, truth123: Chicago’s accept rate will actually probably be lower than Duke’s THIS year, seeing as how Duke tends to make ample (and proper! please not this, UChicago adcoms) use of their waitlist. On a normal year, their acceptance rate adds another 2-3% after they use the waitlist. It’s a bit unclear how high their yield will be, but ED schools seem to have approx. the same yield this year as last year on average, and Duke likely lost a good portion more of its RD admitted students to the likes of Chicago and other rising schools.</p>
<p>Phuriku, applications will now stay at a standstill for Chicago in all likelihood or the college will experience normal growth. The trend has been that application numbers tend to stabilize after the second year that a university joins the Common Application. In fact, after experiencing monster increases in applications like Chicago after joining the Common Application, Columbia’s application numbers actually dipped this year. I don’t expect the same to happen to Chicago but it is not outside the realm of possibility.</p>
<p>I don’t understand why you think Duke and other schools like Northwestern and Cornell or whatever aren’t “rising” as well. All of these schools have experienced massive application number increases in the last couple of years.</p>
<p>Then again, I know that the Chicago admissions office will go to whatever length possible to make the college more exclusive even if it means sending free applications to every 18 year old with a pulse in the United States.</p>
<p>This year was UChicago’s 3rd admissions cycle on the Common App and its applications rose 16%. Next year will be its 4th admissions cycle.</p>
<p>Yes, the other schools are rising as well, but UChicago is rising faster than Duke and Northwestern. Greater rate of change. A fact that Duke has noted as well:</p>
<p>goldenboy: Ooh, you mad. It appears that my job here is done. :)</p>
<p>Oh, and by the way, Chicago still gets considerably less apps than its peer schools, and so has a ton of room to grow. Duke/NU are reaching their app peaks, which should be apparent next year. Also, weren’t you the person predicting that Chicago’s yield would be flat or fall this year? Cheers, mate.</p>
<p>You know, I love how you Chicago imbeciles will always bring Duke or Penn or Cornell up in a thread (you seek ratification) and then accuse us of being hostile to your ‘rejuvenated’ alma mater. Why can’t you just be content with your own progress without provoking students from other schools? I know its been a while since a Chicago degree has been even remotely coveted, but if I am to believe all the posters on this forum, you guys are going to stay in the big league, so you better get used to it (at least until your inevitable decline). So until you guys fall back into obscurity, I suggest you adopt a more collegial attitude towards your more established peers. After all, you’re only going to be in the big league for so long, you should definitely make the most of it Remember this post when Chicago falls back into the abyss, after all, deception can only get you so far before people wizen up to your tactics. Massive yield protection anyone?</p>
<p>LOL! Some in the Ivy League are in denial, since UChicago passed up the Ivy League in quality from day one, but there is nothing that football league can do to stop their alma maters further decline.</p>
<p>And yet, the number of people who (for example) average over 700 on each of the SATs or 33 and above in the ACT is not getting any larger (and they can say what they want about the holistic desires of the school - point is they still ALSO want high numbers for advertising purposes). So why is it “harder” for all these people to get into great schools? Sure, some can now apply to 10 schools instead of 5 now they have the common application, but that 2400/36 who also cured cancer and has 5 gold medals from the Olympics can only attend 1 school. </p>
<p>This common app process has certainly made the college application process a cr*p shoot. I wonder if the laws of unintended consequences was considered when considering this modification to the process.</p>
<p>I’m surprised you both don’t see the cycle that usually occurs here, because the same trends occurred at Duke and Penn sometime ago. When Duke’s star was really rising (in the 90s), there were a lot of combative comments made about Duke’s standing. Similarly, when UPenn rose in the late 90s/2000s, there were folks on both sides of the issue who questioned this, and lots of insecure Penn kids talking about the school’s rise from being the “gutter ivy.” </p>
<p>UChicago is just going through the same trend now, so there are people who are a bit touchy about the school’s nouveau riche status (in conventional terms, such as admissions selectivity and yield). </p>
<p>Just like the earlier conversations about Penn and Duke died down, so will the ones about UChicago.</p>
<p>These are all great schools, and all in a very comparable band as major research universities.</p>
<p>Also, I’m not really sure why, happyman, you feel UChicago will “fall” at some point. By any institutional measure, it seems to be quite comparable to its peer schools - quite wealthy in terms of its endowment, solid physical plant, a very solid roster of faculty, etc.</p>
<p>I’m attending neither of these – GWU; it has lower scores and more students, and I’m happy. So explain to me exactly why you people care so much about the fake prestige of your university?</p>
<p>It only matters if you are job hunting, and as many alumni and students and even faculty will argue; that is not what Uchicago or any Ivy Leauge schools are about.</p>
<p>You should all be ashamed of yourself for bothering to spout this nonsense in the first place.</p>
<p>“It only matters if you are job hunting, and as many alumni and students and even faculty will argue; that is not what Uchicago or any Ivy Leauge schools are about.”</p>
<p>Many alumni, students, and faculty will and DO argue this. But any honest person in the administration will tell you that these are little more than empty words. The vast majority of graduates of any given school will eventually enter the workforce, and the prestige of a school may very well make or break an application to a desired job. Up until a few years ago, Chicago was one of 2 institutions (the other being Caltech) to hold out against this reality, but the new administration is not so dumb.</p>
<p>Also, Cue7: I don’t know why you think the hype about Chicago’s admissions selectivity will die down. The hype will likely correspond to its acceptance rate. If Chicago keeps its acceptance rate down, I think the perception of its selectivity will continue.</p>
<p>“the prestige of a school may very well make or break an application to a desired job.”</p>
<p>I’ve never seen this to be the case, at least with the large organizations I worked for that hired. Schools were generally separated into bands, and I never once heard the discussion “well this kid went to Dartmouth, and this other kid only went to UChicago.” </p>
<p>Instead, students from a general range of schools were in the same pile, and then it was up to the student to demonstrate their own abilities and acumen.</p>
<p>10-15 years ago, UChicago was probably in the very same pile it’s in now: with schools like Duke, Columbia, Brown, etc. </p>
<p>The only difference was, 10-15 years ago, in the non-academic world, UChicago had a grade-deflating environment coupled with a generally larger nerd population - two qualities that don’t translate to great professional school placement or job placement. If you’re a law school concerned with GPAs and rankings, it makes no sense to take a 3.3/170 from UChicago instead of the Brown 3.7/170. </p>
<p>I really don’t think UChicago is in a different pile now than it was then. Instead, grade inflation hit UChicago, and the students are generally savvier about how important the numbers are, and how necessary social acumen is to securing plum jobs. </p>
<p>I don’t think UChicago’s prestige has changed that much at all - it’s in roughly the same band it’s been in for the past 20-30 years. Rather, the abilities/focus of the students and the decreased use in harsher grading has changed exit outcomes for UChicago College students.</p>
<p>“Many alumni, students, and faculty will and DO argue this. But any honest person in the administration will tell you that these are little more than empty words.”</p>
<p>So everyone who isn’t on here arguing about this is a liar.</p>
<p>“I’ve never seen this to be the case, at least with the large organizations I worked for that hired.”</p>
<p>Or not.</p>
<p>Either way, how is arguing about it doing anything other than pushing away boredum?</p>
Remember this post when Chicago falls back into the abyss, after all, deception can only get you so far before people wizen up to your tactics. Massive yield protection anyone?</p>