My D didn’t pay a student teaching fee through SUNY and she lived at home during her student teaching semester. She did have to pay for the ed tpa. I covered it. I could afford to because she was in a state school. Funny story about that, she was away when the scores came out and asked middle son and I to check. We finally found the website and saw that she had a 65. My son said “How are we going to tell her she failed? She worked SO hard on this.” Then, we found the conversion table - she actually had a 93!
Another thing I just thought of - if you think you might want to teach in another state, look for NCATE accreditation. Plattsburgh has it.
I just talked to my BIL. This is Michigan-specific so I don’t know how generalizable it is. He has been looking for a new job (he teaches HS science) as his school is going to close at the end of this year.
He said what a LOT of teaching jobs are looking for that they weren’t even a few years ago is bilingual speakers. Mostly Spanish. You don’t have to be fluent but they want you to at least be conversant.
Thumper, I think you misunderstood about parking. I don’t mean at the internship school, but at the university. At my university, junior ed. majors had individual internships which required each of them to have their personal vehicles on campus. Every college in my area charges for parking stickers. If you’re living off-campus, depending on the city, you may have to pay higher rent for a parking spot. Whenever parking is at a premium, you’ll pay for it. Heck, at local state U, professors are charged for parking based on how close they want to get to central campus/their offices.
I second NCATE. It used to be that graduating from an NCATE school meant automatic reciprocity in 37 states. That’s no longer the case, but it does streamline the process sometimes.
At Plattsburgh, my D was able to car pool or get a ride on the school shuttle or volunteer van to her class placements. We didn’t give her a car until she went back after Thanksgiving in her fifth and final year and that was only because she was moving home at winter break and needed to bring her stuff home. I also gave her the car, as opposed to sending my oldest son up to get her, because my middle son was at the same school. In those days, it was about $100 per semester to park, but she got a pro-rated deal because she only had the car up there for a couple of weeks.
For her student teaching semester, she lived at home and I bought her a monthly LIRR pass. The school was close enough to Penn Station that she could walk. I paid her tuition for that semester at grad rates but there was no extra fee for student teaching, although she did have to pay for the various tests, as noted above.
I was surprised to learn that you can teach ESL without knowing the language and my D had thought about getting that certificate as well but the students in the school where she taught were primarily African-American.
Again, great conversation! Happy Christmas to any who celebrate.
D loves the preschool age group but intends to get elementary certification. No assumption that she would come back to CT. I checked out Plattsburgh and liked what I saw (thanks again for pointing it out!). Her bubble is getting burst though. Like many 17 year olds she’s had a vision of what her ideal school will be and she considers SUNY schools to be small. I presented the facts about the degree, 4 certifications earned in 5 years and 5300 students is not exactly tiny. She clams that having both Early Childhood and Elementary certs can mean a school will try to pay you as if you only had the Early Childhood cert (assumption is Early Childhood is paid less). Can anyone comment on that?
Temple U is out, they have a strange age range cert Pre K-4th. Florida schools are out, they make no mention of Sp. Ed. as part of their program. CT is out from my perspective. From the Eastern website: “The State of Connecticut requires that those receiving a certificate after 1993 have a subject matter major outside of education. Elementary teacher candidates may major in any discipline except Physical Education, Psychology and Sociology.” I agree NCATE is the way to go.
I’ll give her time to enjoy Christmas and absorb her current status of deferred from Syracuse and in need of more school selections. My new spreadsheet is ready to aid in conversations.
If she plans to teach in NY, especially NYC then SUNY/CUNY is the way to go. NYC has Pre-K for all and 3k for all at its public schools so there will be a growing need for teachers.
Definitely get the special ed extension, which will make it easier for you to get a job. I would not worry about the ESL extension because you can get that paid for by the DOE( which will also count toward her her 30
Credits above her masters for another salary bump). If there is any way that she can do bi-lingual special ed, she will never have a problem getting a job.
NYC will have a major teacher shortage by the time your child graduates, with a lot of people probably leaving in 2020 (when the current contract finishes paying out). She will have plenty of opportunities to make extra $ as a special ed teacher especially if she works in District 75. She can work summers and get per session, or paid pro-rata at D75 and hospital schools.
Public schools in NY do not pay less money for early childhood than for elementary. Pay is based on your level of education ( BA-MA) and in NYC it is also based on how many credits your MA is… how many credits is your MA above your initial cert, etc. My D will start a new job for the DOE shortly and her MA is 62 credits (32 being in the area she was hired for, 30 being for 2 additional certs). This will land her a higher starting salary than somebody whose masters is 36 credits with a cert in one area…because she has additional credits and cents beyond what she was hired for. She receives the same salary whether she works in a preschool class or at the HS.
She is in Virginia. The VA SDE’s website was really helpful in laying out the requirements. She was a little bummed when she figured out that the work she had done to pass the Ed TPA didn’t help her with VA certification.
The job market is definitely different around here. DC’s outlying suburbs are booming with new schools opening or existing schools expanding.
What your D might be talking about is that the NYC universal pre-k positions paid less than a regular teaching position, at least when the program started, but they also didn’t require that you have passed all of the certification tests yet, from what I remember. Other than that, @twogirls is correct about the salary schedule.
In NYS, the younger age certs are birth through 2nd grade and K - 6, so there is overlap. My D received both. For awhile after she left teaching in the classroom, she worked as a SEIT (special ed itinerant teacher) traveling to schools and homes working with kids based on their IEPs. She was with an early intervention agency so her students ranged from toddlers to preschool age.
My D just completed a permanent sub job in a specialized NYC DOE preschool program. They offered her full time permanent employment ( she turned it down). The salary would have been the same ( same pay scale) as the DOE position she ultimately accepted with older students. She did not work in a universal pre-k, however… that may be different. The OPs D should ask.
In my school … neighboring state… The pre-k teachers are on the same scale as everybody and very often teachers get moved around.
Poppycock…at least here in CT it is. All public school educators in this state are part of the SAME collective bargaining unit regardless of certification. In other words…if she is hired as an early childhood TEACHER in a public school district , she will be paid the same as the HS science teacher.
BUT in CT, the public school early childhood programs REQUIRE special education certification. Because they are programs for special education students that also have typical peers in the group. If your daughter wants to work in a public school here…or just about anywhere else…as a preschool teacher, she will need special education endorsement as well as regular education.
Here is my opinion…she can really get her undergrad degree anywhere. And it can be in regular education. Many…MANY states, not just CT…are requiring a content area major for all education majors. I’m not sure why you think this is an onerous requirement. Surely your daughter has some area in which she has interest…and couldn’t choose a major.
After she gets her bachelors…she could enroll in a masters program in special education.
What does she want more? A college football team? Or a good program in elementary education? Or both?
There are thousands of colleges in this country.
I would suggest your daughter have a conversation with the preschool teacher Inn her public school district…and maybe the kindergarten teachers too. Find out where THEY went to college for their degrees. Talk to an elementary school principal. Explain that her goal is to become an elementary teacher and seek some input as to how to get there.
I had students shadow me often it seemed…and these questions were discussed.
If she is asking daycare teachers for input…keep in mind…they are often paid less. They are not school district employees. They don’t need to have teacher certification or even a college degree. The information they give will be very different from that of a public school preschool teacher.
My D did her required concentration in music. She didn’t want to be a music teacher, but she really wanted to use music as a teaching tool in special ed.
In NYS, if you want to teach at middle or HS level, you have to have a content area. Music and art are K -12 certifications, as is special ed. I am not certain about foreign language.
Another certification that can pay off is in reading and literacy. It’s an excellent adjunct to special ed.
If she is interested in bigger schools with solid elementary education, football, school spirit, etc… she may want to look at James Madison University in VA. IDLS is the major for elementary ed.
@jmnva06 is right that northern VA is growing, and has opportunities for new teachers.
James Madison is a state school in VA, and started as a state normal school. As an OOS student the price may be a little high, but would be worth looking at just to see, since it sounds like it has much of what she is looking for in a school/ program.
NYC pre-k for all and 3-k for all in NYC teaching jobs public schools public schools as @twogirls said are UFT positions and will get paid the same as anyone else who is a teacher with the same amount of time and credits.
@twogirls, make sure that your daughter applies for Jarema credit for the year that she was a permanent sub so she can get a salary bump. She should also contact TRS to buy that time for her pension.
I know many kids who wine to school in PA and teach in NJ - very simple process.
My son is a freshman at Rowan - currently requires a double major in education (he’s doing elementary) and a subject area (he’s doing history). But we were just notified that’s changing this year to be an education degree with a concentration like I.T used to be, no more double major.
TCNJ is one of the best teaching schools in the country. It wouldn’t be cheap out of state but is great school. My husband is a teacher and when we were looking several colleagues said to stay away from Temple so glad to see it’s off your list! Both Bloomsburg and Millersville are PA state schools with good education programs and degrees for special education. Both come in under $40k without merit for OOS (at least last year for a NJ resident). Division 2 athletics (Bloom has D1 wrestling) and both with really nice, new housing options.
This sounds more like a better butter battle. Many of the SUNY University colleges started out as schools of education and will teach you what you need for licensure. Jobs and placement is really going to be more of a function of personal preference as to where people want to work when they graduate.
The NYC DOE is the largest public school system in the country so they will have more teaching jobs/opportunities than Cortland or Plattsburgh. As a new teacher, will a student from Cortland have a better chance of getting a job with the NYC DOE than a student from Plattsburgh? Absolutely not.
The only time early childhood certificates make less money is if you are employed by a preschool or private situation. If you work in the public school, all teachers are paid per contract (that’s high school physics to Kindergarten…the same). Where are you getting the idea that teachers don’t have good pensions? They do. Teachers in new York state do very, very well. It does vary by district - obviously more wealthy districts pay better.
Although there are paths to teach without an ed. degree and to get an alternate certification, for elementary, I do not recommend that.
Your daughter will want to go for the extended programs where she graduates with a masters. She has to get one anyway so get it over with, it will make her more competitive for jobs, and will bring her a higher salary right out of the gate (determined by contract).
She will need a dual for elementary. Must have literacy or special ed. Both are great. Special Ed. will most likely guarantee her employment immediately after graduation.
SUNY schools are great values and regarded for education however I believe Plattsburgh & Cortland are not especially well respected (please nobody challenge me on this. This is my opinion within the industry, others can have theirs). Russell Sage is Troy is highly regarded for el. ed. and the College of St. Rose in Albany is too. Both privates but privates are giving money. Small which your daughter isn’t into but, good education. Sage has a some nice dual programs. What about SUNY Oneonta or Oswego? (Haven’t checked if they have El.Ed.) Geneseo would also be a good choice. There is also SUNY Albany if she wants a larger environment.
Too bad about Syracuse but I never think of education when I think of 'cuse.
If you live or want to work in NYS and go into one of the education fields… SUNY is an outstanding option. One of my kids did her undergrad at one of the SUNY schools mentioned and recently completed a masters in NY but not SUNY. Her program is not offered by SUNY… it is offered by CUNY but there is no housing and it was getting complicated.
My daughters undergrad education at her chosen SUNY was outstanding… and being in the same field for 30 years I was able to see what they did and I was impressed. The school held a parent orientation within the major and I got to talk to the profs etc and again… I knew we/she made the right choice. She student taught in a variety of places, worked in the clinic on campus, learned what was necessary for the ed TPA, went to different local events pertaining to her major- conferences, social functions etc. They had a partnership with a neighboring non SUNY school often mentioned on CC… they planned a lot of events together- clubs, networking events etc.
Her grad program had 10 students in her cohort. Her advisor told her that she came in extremely well prepared for grad school, and I give her small SUNY… Mentioned here… the credit. She begins her new job shortly… just a few weeks after graduating.