Gunning for HYS early on

<p>So I'm an incoming freshman at a decent public university and I have high hopes of attending an elite t4 (not 14, really 4) law school. While I understand that the odds are slim, I also have time as an advantage to be prepared. If you could give advice for someone who is about to begin their undergrad years who wanted to gain admission to a top law school, what would it be? If you knew you could do it all over again:</p>

<p>-When would you start studying for the LSAT?
-What soft factors would you seek out?
-What sorts of classes/majors would you try?
-What would you do over your summers? </p>

<p>Simply put, someone entering college in a matter of weeks has a clean slate. What can they do within the next 3.5 years (apart from obvious answers like 4.0, 180) that'll get them into the best law schools?</p>

<p>Some people do very little studying for the LSAT and do just fine. Buy that Yale Law hoodie now.....wear it everyday. Drive your used-to-be-friends crazy with talk about law school. Major in pre-law. You'll have it all covered.
-When would you start studying for the LSAT? ** Now, the sooner the better. **
-What soft factors would you seek out? ** Run for elected office, sooner than later. **
-What sorts of classes/majors would you try? ** Learn to write well. **
-What would you do over your summers? ** Caddie or wash the cars of SCOTUS justices. **</p>

<p>The obvious answers are also just about the only answers. There's really nothing you can or should be doing at this point.</p>

<p>"wash the cars of SCOTUS justices." </p>

<p>lol.</p>

<p>I think that there are much better uses of the OP's (and anyone else thinkiing of going to law school's) time than to study for the LSAT for three or more years.</p>

<p>To the OP, what's the 4th school?</p>

<p>Sally: what would be a better use of time (not to oppose your advice, but to ask for advice).</p>

<p>The fourth school is either NYU, Columbia, or Chicago -haven't decided yet. Also, by the time I graduate in 4 years, any of them could be 4. Two have already been 4th in the last 2 years.</p>

<p>A better use of time than studying for the LSAT for 3 years? </p>

<p>I can think of many, but here are a few to start you off:</p>

<p>Volunteer for a adult literacy organization, big brothers/big sisters or a soup kitchen in your community</p>

<p>Get a part time job and earn some money for books and living expenses while learning how to manage your time, juggle responsibilities and be an effective employee</p>

<p>Read books not required for your coursework, see movies, read a daily newspaper and get a sense of the news and popular culture surrounding you</p>

<p>Make new friends and spend time with old ones</p>

<p>Find a professor who you admire and respect and volunteer to help with his or her research and writing</p>

<p>Get in shape by working out or participating in an intramural or club sport </p>

<p>Sleep more - it's amazing what a few good nights of rest will do for your body and mind</p>

<p>Audit a course n a subject way outside of your comfort zone</p>

<p>Learn a new language through self-study</p>

<p>First, above all, don't waste your time studying for the LSAT until, at most, a couple of months before it. College isn't, or at least shouldn't be, just about picking up a credential needed to continue in the next round of a game of life. </p>

<p>Getting into law school is mostly about two numbers--LSAT and gpa. Right now, worrry about gpa. Most freshmen do worse gpa-wise than upperclassmen do. For law school purposes, it's the cumulative gpa that counts, so get off to a good start. Moreover, law school aspirations aside, there are a surprising number of opportunities at many colleges that are based on gpa. This can include majors, particular courses, study abroad programs, honor societies, some work study jobs, etc. Don't let your failure to buckle down immediately rob you of these opportunities.</p>

<p>I advise taking one small class in a field of interest to you that's not a normal distribution -type course as a freshman. Sometimes, you luck out and get a good mentor out of it because the prof will notice a frosh who is taking a course out of interest. Getting to know profs well, particularly at a big university, is a VERY good thing to do. More often, you get to know some upperclass(wo)men, who can give you advice re good profs, courses, activities, and, sometimes, even LS applications.</p>

<p>Make a point of talking in class--not to hear the sound of your own voice or to the extent of annoying your classmates, but do participate. There are many students who try to get to know profs by going to office hours. While that's a good idea, there are cases in which it can come across as brown-nosing and actually backfire. Getting a prof's attention because you asked a question that shows that you were paying attention or by participating in class discussion is usually a better way to make a prof take note of you.
When you are applying to law school, having recs which say that you participate in class can help. (I'm not saying you can't get into a top law school if you aren't Chatty Kathy, just that since law school instruction is based on classroom discusssion, having recs that say you are one of those rare students who facilitates discussion helps.) </p>

<p>Do some community service. Again, I am not saying this is essential, just that it helps. It doesn't have to be working in a soup kitchen. Most colleges have lots of opportunities to give back. I've known people who tutored in elementary school, acted as a guardian ad litem for foster kids, trained teens in conflict resolution programs, coached little kids sports teams in inner cities, helped immigrants learn English, taught in a literacy program in a prison, volunteered to be translators a certain number of hours a week at a big city hospital, taught music lessons in a settlement house for free, coached high school debate teams for the Urban Debate League,etc. Most universities offer community service opportunities, and you can also get involved in off-campus organizations. </p>

<p>That's my two cents.</p>

<p>Many students have no idea about the work and life of a lawyer . Too often they focus on the perceived prestige of the name "I am a lawyer" than whether or not they actually understand and like the work itself.</p>

<p>Last weekend, I attended a wedding of two young lawyers ( one graduated from Penn, the other from Stanford) where I was talking to a few of their classmates, found a surprising number of them practised law for 3-5 years and are out of the profession entirely. One young man , a job seeker told me he's not looking for anything in law although he is a Stanford law grad. He is not the only one. In fact, the groom himself (Stanford law grad) has quit his law firm job after 3 years and is working on his own projects in computer science . Fortunately he has a masters degree in computer science to fall back on.</p>

<p>I am seeing a lot of posters here asking questions about how to get into law school, but hardly anyone asks about interning in a law firm before investing time and money in law school.</p>