Tentatively, I concur with this.
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However, both have some business-like courses, such as accounting and financial economics, in their economics departments (economics is a common business-substitute major).
Most colleges do not have dedicated pre-med majors (University of Notre Dame is one of the few that does). Pre-meds commonly major in biology or some other major that is widely found, including at liberal arts colleges. Liberal arts colleges commonly do have dedicated pre-med advising offices, and may have pre-med committees that write committee letters of recommendation for medical school applicants.
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I know as a college athlete you will be traveling to another school pretty much every other weekend at a minimum. You won’t feel trapped on campus . However traveling from Clinton NY you may feel like you are spending a lot of time on a bus.
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Of these two schools, hamilton sounds like the better fit.
Which team, teammates, and coach do you prefer? Have both coaches said they will fully support your application through the admissions process?
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Especially since Hamilton is a geographic outlier to NESCAC. All of the other colleges in that conference are in New England. Williams is the closest member of that conference, almost 3 hours away. The 3 Maine colleges are all more than 6 hours away with Colby getting close to 7.
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Is it possible to not be super into protesting and be in the middle when it comes to politics and go to wesleyan?
Did you do your OV at the either school? Probably not during covid. Can you hold off your decision before you visit campus in session and then decide?
My D attends a hs with a large “awareness” group. She is friends with many of them, but they all know she is a college recruitable athlete and has no time besides school, sport, and friend time. No friction.
I suspect in college you will have the same time constraints: school, sport, and friend time. Your biggest friend group will be your team, then dorm, major, etc. You will find your people
and they will love you for who you are. No worries.
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Of course. I think some of us misunderstood your OP; we thought you objected to other people protesting. I’ve been on campus many times over the past few years and have never seen a protest that could attract more than a few hundred people at a time. Wesleyan’s dirty little secret is that there are a lot of UMC* white kids there who are by no means radical and whose greatest ambition is to do well academically and just get along with as many people as possible.
If you don’t mind being hit up occasionally to sign a petition or hearing other people shouting and marching around Brownstone Row, no one is going to twist your arm to do anything you don’t want to.
*Upper Middle Class
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While protests can shut down a class (Reed) or, even, a college (Haverford), this level of disruption remains rare. If your only objection to Wesleyan relates to its political activism, I suggest you ignore this concern when choosing where to apply.
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This is very, very important. Make sure you are offered an actual slot. Have the schools do admission pre-reads, but be specific in your questions to the coaches about what, exactly, they are offering.
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Which school has more prestige with the name?
IMO, these two schools are equals in name/rep/prestige. But, prestige shouldn’t be one of your main factors when assessing fit of a particular school.
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Ha! That’s a loaded question on this forum! Put it this way: When ordinary people think of Hamilton, they are more likely to think of the Broadway play than the college and the guy who wrote the Broadway play graduated from Wesleyan.
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They are not honest they will tell you they will give support then when another recruit comes along they will take that one if falls in higher band. The Coaches are not honest. In addition you will find that Coaches there do not communicate well with one another.
You have mentioned complaints like this in multiple posts. We get it, and who knows what went wrong…but to make blanket statements to not trust coaches at X school based on your experience in an unknown sport isn’t fair or necessarily relevant.
Most coaches are honest, even though some might be better communicators than others. It is NOT in a coach’s best interest to break verbal commitments (if that’s what happened in your case)…the industry is small, and word will spread easily to other coaches and recruits.
Normally once a coach has interest in an applicant, the first step is to get a positive pre-read from admissions. If a coach doesn’t ask for a pre-read, they aren’t that interested, at least at that point in time.
After a positive pre-read, it’s critical that recruits understand where they stand in the recruiting class, and what the coach might be offering. For example, full support thru the admissions process in exchange for an ED app? Soft support with no admission guarantees? Going with different recruits?
The process is dynamic and things can and do change. But I haven’t seen many coaches break verbal commitments. When a coach leaves a school though, I have seen the new coach break outstanding commitments with regularity.
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I heard of quite a few verbal commitments broken this year! Part of that had to do with test optional. Athletes a coach could normally not consider due to test scores were able to be recruited once the college went test optional. A good friend’s daughter who was verbally committed got a call from the coach saying test optional had opened up a whole new group of athletes and he no longer wanted to recruit her. Another friend’s daughter had a verbal commitment from a coach, who did a positive pre-read, and did not get in ED - a huge shock to the family!
I think it is good advice to be cautious but more importantly pick a college you would be happy at if you are no longer playing your sport. Injury, over-recruiting/too many players at your position, school work load, can all be factors that can contribute to an athlete not playing all four years so you need to be happy where you are at!
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I highly disagree with you first hand knowledge at several NESCAC schools that have multiple coaches giving offers and other coaches at same school explaining that they need to wait. In addition the Penn State scandal recently that this school making offers to players with limited number of scholorships available. NESCAC does not have to give in writing any type of offer everything is done verbally. Look at Bates they have fired three Coaces and all those recruits now are twisting in the wind. I do not have a bias against any one school but know more about this process.
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Yes. As I’ve said in another post, few things get blown out of proportion more than Wesleyan’s reputation on this point. My D was, and is, fairly well described as a centrist, maybe left of center, but hardly strident in her political views. On a day to day basis, life is pretty normal at Wesleyan.
Note, it’s not Hillsdale College. You’re not going to find that in New England, much less in the NESCAC. But I maintain that if a kid otherwise likes Wesleyan this should not be the reason they don’t choose it. It is a hugely exaggerated point.
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Did you just say Trinity is better in all sports than Wesleyan or Hamilton? That, right there, should be your exit on this topic. It’s laughably inaccurate.
I have had two kids go through the recruiting process at the DIII level. While there are problems of the sort you mention (including a well known controversy with a men’s lacrosse coach at Haverford), to say across the board that all coaches at any one school aren’t transparent and are dishonest is rubbish. You simply can’t make that kind of claim credibly.
Highly selective DIII needs to go the route of the Ivy League and do Likely Letters. It just makes it easier on everybody. Until they do, there will be hurt feelings and misunderstandings. In my D’s sport, I know that one year the coach had something close to a 50% attrition rate in his recruiting class … meaning 1/2 of the kids on “the list” didn’t make it through admissions. That could be a function of MANY things, but I assure you it had nothing to do with his honesty and character. I know him and he’s as good as they come.
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This is critically important.
At highly selective DIII schools, there’s being “on the list” and there’s “we’d love to have you.” One means admissions support, the other one means we might recognize you when you show up to the first practice.
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