Hard decision...

<p>In MA, the state doesn't pay teacher salaries; the local cities and towns do. The state gives local aid to schools, but does not earmark them. And the amount varies from year to year, so local school districts cannot count on those funds for teacher salaries. They use the funds for other school purposes.</p>

<p>Back to the OP: You haven't even started college yet. Stop worrying about how to arrange your career three years from now. This isn't a question you need to answer today. You will find resources at your school that will be able to give you specific advice based on your own individual situation.</p>

<p>I have several teachers in the family and all have said that public schools would rather hire you in with a B.A. beacuse of the money they will save. Once you are in, then begin the work on your Masters. Most school districts will pay for all or a good portion of your Masters. Some private schools, however, do not look at the hiring of teachers in the same way and like the masters before they hire someone. Also, on a personal note, getting the masters out of the way before marriage and family helps to ensure that it will be completed. Once you are paying for diapers, etc. $$$ for degrees are harder to come by. Good luck!</p>

<p>BTW, the school district pays teachers' salaries in Texas, NOT the state. And I know of many (myself included) who have not become principals because we would be paid more because we have more experience. They hire the teachers for principals that have 3-5 years experience.</p>

<p>Many good comments. I have a question - If the school systems would rather hire BS candidates, then I assume they'd prefer to pay only BS level teachers. So are they happy or not that many teachers eventually get the MS, and they have to pay them more?</p>

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I know experienced teachers trying to re-enter the profession who can't get a job because they are at too high/expensive of a level

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<p>This is so sad.</p>

<p>I think the people in education want experienced and good teachers, but the school boards and budget-minded communities don't. Not that school boards don't care, but they want what is the cheapest because they have to balance a budget and placate the union demands. The pie is only so big. For example, if a big part of the budget goes to pay all of the health benefits for teachers so they can pay zero, it has to come from somewhere - maybe salaries, or books and supplies, or facility maintenance. They even try to "buy out" older teachers so they can hire brand new inexperienced ones at a lower rate. Not that this is always bad. Sometimes a department is stagnant and really benefits from an infusion of youth and energy and new ideas. But yeah, I think that in my state the teachers unions have an adversarial relationship with the school boards.</p>

<p>I think you answered your own question OP--I'd stop at the Bachelor's and go teach. Many things could happen...you could loathe teaching for one. The lost income for two years (even at a teacher's salary!) weighed against the "lost" retirement benefits that have to be discounted down to almost nothing because they are 30 years out and the additional burden of paying your own Master's expenses rather than having them paid (you said your district would cover your Master's) make this a no-brainer. Financially you would be far, far better off to start teaching with the bachelor's. Strategically you are better off since nobody can say for sure they will want to make a career of teaching until they've done it for several years.</p>

<p>Yes but why do you think anyone can be a good teacher walking into a classroom without an ounce of training in pedagogy, how to organize and pace a
lessson, strategies for behavior management (extremely important in h.s. teaching). To me, that's setting yourself up to DISLIKE teaching.</p>

<p>Why do you think there is nothing of value in the teachers colleges? Sure some of the courses are tedious and dunderhead, but they teach you how to organize yourself, wade through the curriculum, set up classes to accomplish the curriculum, and go over the zaniest things (the effect of heating and ventilation on student attention, for example). </p>

<p>I really thought I came in to my first classroom from a position of strength because I had taken courses in theory, been through 4 sessions of supervised teaching with evaluations from the master teacher and a chance to work it through with my university professor back on campus.</p>

<p>I learned many ideas at teachers college that nobody had heard of in the district when I began to teach. One example: My university advisor was a cool IRish lady who said to us (training for K-6 classrooms), "If you ever get a chance, go to visit your students in their homes before the school year starts." It was something she used to do in Irish rural villages.</p>

<p>My first fulltime teaching job was in a rural American community with searing poverty and racial tensions. I decided to try it. Instead of mailing out the usual letter of school supplies in August, I got the addresses and visited each home of the incoming First Grader. </p>

<p>It was...revolutionary. I had parent support like nobody's business for the rest of the year. The students weren't afraid on the first day. The parents knew I cared. I had broken the "third wall" of the school building by bringing them each a pencil and hand-carrying the supply list to their home. I could picture each child so much better for the rest of the year. </p>

<p>Nobody could have told me to do that at that elementary school, because it wasn't "their way of doing things." I had the confidence to try it because I was a Masters in Education. Jaws dropped when I told them what I'd done. I did it every year, and despite its obvious success, nobody copied me, ah well. I also learned tons of great tips from teachers after I began working. But at least I brought something to the table.</p>

<p>In answer to your other question, the incentive to get the masters once you begin teaching with a bachelors degree is that you generally are only granted
a kind of "provisional certification" status and given a deadline, usually within 5 years to complete the Masters if you want to stay employed. State certification requirements ensure that you don't work forever as a BS or BA, if you enter that way.</p>

<p>I've heard all the cheapskate talk, too, but in my experience, when they want to hire you they'll find a way to even if you cost two years step more than a less experienced teacher...if it's a thoughtful, quality district. It is a shame that this cheapskate talk would circulate and discourage someone from coming in with some qualification. Instead, I believe the districts are breaking the backs of young teachers by asking them to do too much: take on a new classroom untrained WHILE getting a masters degree to figure out how to run that classroom. The difference involved is approximately $2K/year where I taught. Is it worth that? I saw teachers give up because their classrooms ATE them and they thought they couldn't teach. Nobody had taught them how to teach, so no wonder.</p>

<p>A lot depends, too, on whether you are working in a state with fast-growing population, or in a declining population.</p>

<p>I still maintain: get the Masters first if you can afford to and find the quality district that can afford the extra $2K to bring you in at that more trained level.</p>

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As a parent, I would hope that a teacher (even a brand new one) had learned how to teach and was capable in the classroom. To think they are practicing on my kids while they are trying to learn their trade is frightening. Now I know that some people are natural teachers and some people are just in the wrong profession, but still I would expect a minimal level of competence.</p>

<p>To get a teaching certificate you usually need months of observing or student teaching. Obviously being the one in charge of the classroom for the first time is challenging though!</p>

<p>As others have mentioned, you may not want to pay for an advanced degree in teaching until you have "walked the walk". In your early 20's, there are still many changes that will be occurring in your interests. </p>

<p>Also, depending on where you are seeking a job, it may not be so easy to get a position right away. I know that district jobs where I have lived are prized and not an easy catch. You may well need that master's AND experience which most young teachers here get by teaching at private or catholic school and going to night school. You won't make as much but it will offset the cost of the grad school. Also, factor in how you feel at the time and what is happening with you. If you get some good offers, perhaps you want to start right into teaching. If not, maybe gradschool. Your mind set at the time should factor heavily into this. When I finished college, I was just too worn out and tired of being poor and juggling all of those courses. A few years working was my preference, taking one class, maybe, until I knew what I wanted. On the other hand, there were and are those who really are hot to go to grad school, and they should strike while the iron is hot.</p>

<p>we were told by someone in the field that it was their opinion that a new teacher got more out of their masters study if they were employed in the classroom while getting their masters, and that the masters in turn enhanced their classroom performance -- ie, they were able to bring the practical implications of what they were seeing in their classroom to their masters study, and apply the theoretical training they were getting in the masters studies to their classroom. as least that was this person's opinion (they have a doctorate in education and have worked as a teacher and an administrator)</p>