<p>This is a nerd house, so I'm hoping to get some responses. </p>
<p>I read Harry for the first time in 5th grade. I was instantly hooked but when the fourth one came out a year later, its size scared me and I decided to put Harry aside. When the 5th one came out in 8th grade I decided to go ahead and read the 4th and 5th and I was completely blown away. Although I will forever remain bitter towards a friend of mine who let it slip that Sirius dies. I read the entire series once or twice up until the release of the 6th one, and then finally just finished reading all 6 books tonight. </p>
<p>I am now forever depressed. Of course I am said about the deaths and that the next one won't come out for at least another year, but also because I had become so attached to the character over the last month.
And this is why I need to make a discussion forum........</p>
<p>So what do you guys think will happen?
Personally, I feel that Snape is innocent and that Dumbledore new he was going to die, but I can't figure out how Harry got his invisibility cloak, why Dumbledore trusted Snape, the significance of Lily Potter being good at charms and Harry having her green eyes, and who will win between Voldemort and Harry. </p>
<p>So yeah...I know I'm a nerd....BUT I do have an active social life, and I enjoy teen pasttimes like myspace and movies..but yeah, I am just having some Harry Potter withdrawals. </p>
<p>hmm... what happened in the 6th book... seriously I read it like a year ago... umm.. okay I think I got it now. Yea, the books are great. Some of my friends and I have had complete Harry Potter conversations in which we predict the last book. I think that Harry Potter is sooo widely read that no one is going to call you a nerd for reading them, or atleast I won't because I finished the book the day after it was realeased in the US... so yea. In my school everyone reads them, not just the nerds. </p>
<p>I think that Snape is good (yea, I hate him) because I feel as if he is just making it seem like he is on the other side and that he killed Dumbledore only because he promised to. IMO Dumbledore did know that he was going to die and the book made reference to points in the novel in which Dumbledore and Snape were fighting. I believe this was when Dumbledore was telling Snape that he had to kill him. That takes care of why Dumbledore trusted Snape, I suppose. umm... why it is signifigant that Lily was good at charms and there resemblence as far as their eyes is supposed to be revealed in the 7th book... I haven't really thought about that. My friends and I had a theory that Harry was the last horcrux (sp?) and that he was going to kill Voldemort and then himself for the benefit of all... but I really don't think that it will happen. If you look, there are many rumors about the 7th book, some of which are confirmed by JK herself. Ummm... I hope I satisfied your questions... I figured I'd respond just cause no one else had...</p>
<p>Harry Potter=A W E S O M E!!!
I hate Snape, which pretty much means he's good. Dumbledore did trust him, and I have a feeling that Dumbledore's reason was ironclad. I don't think Harry is the last horcrux, but his green eyes are significant in a similar way, just not so evil. </p>
<p>Oh, and R.A.B is Sirius's brother (R.I.P. <em>tear tear</em>), without a doubt. Otherwise, well, I think my whole world would come crashing down around my muggle ears.</p>
<p>Anyway. I'm with you that Snape's good. Dumbledore had to die. I believe he knew exactly what was going on. The only way Draco could have come out of his situation alive is if Dumbledore died, and Dumbledore would do anything for his students. It explains why Dumbledore was so desperate to get Harry to understand everything in this book.</p>
<p>RAB is definetely Regulus... he fits too perfectly for him to not be. The locket horcrux was also in Grimmauld Place in book 5 - they were cleaning something out and there was "a locket that could not be opened" or something. Kreacher could have it, or more likely, Mundungus could have stolen it and sold it to someone, possibly Aberforth (barman in Hog's Head/Dumbly's brother). That would set it up perfectly for Harry and Aberforth to meet.</p>
<p>Rowling sucks as a writer. No style. Mediocre talent. The only thing good about her books are the plots.</p>
<p>RAB is Regulus - Rowlings said so in an interview.
Snape's not evil - Dumbledore probably ordered Snape to kill him so he could remain alive and able to carry on with his spying. Snape's much more useful to the order alive than dead. He's just an undercover agent treading the fine line.</p>
<p>I dunno. I think Rowling, in her effort to be unpredictable made everything all to obvious. "Expect the Unexpected." She hasn't exactly surprised me yet.</p>
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<p>RAB is Regulus - Rowlings said so in an interview.
Snape's not evil - Dumbledore probably ordered Snape to kill him so he could remain alive and able to carry on with his spying. Snape's much more useful to the order alive than dead. He's just an undercover agent treading the fine line.</p>
<p>I dunno. I think Rowling, in her effort to be unpredictable made everything all to obvious. "Expect the Unexpected." She hasn't exactly surprised me yet.
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Say that to a hardcore HP fan. I hear getting stoned to death is a painful way to go. </p>
<p>Chaos- But Harry is sooo much more fun! This way we get to eat popcorn at the same time as reading.</p>
<p>I've said it to a few, actually. Results varied -- the stupid ones were just speechless and ended with a "you suck" while the more intelligent ones tried converting me unsuccessfully. The arguments were interesting, nonetheless.</p>
<p>I like the idea of a school of magic, it's just that I thinks it could have been conveyed better.</p>
<p>"Rowling sucks as a writer. No style. Mediocre talent. The only thing good about her books are the plots."</p>
<p>She does a great job of making her books appealing to people of ALL ages. How many authors can honestly do that?</p>
<p>"I dunno. I think Rowling, in her effort to be unpredictable made everything all to obvious. "Expect the Unexpected." She hasn't exactly surprised me yet."</p>
<p>If everything's predictable, then why don't you tell us all about the seventh book?</p>
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<p>I have pondered this statement and decided not to dignify it with a response.</p>
<p>No, actually, I changed my mind - AVADA KEDAVRA!</p>
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RAB is Regulus - Rowlings said so in an interview.
Snape's not evil - Dumbledore probably ordered Snape to kill him so he could remain alive and able to carry on with his spying. Snape's much more useful to the order alive than dead. He's just an undercover agent treading the fine line.
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<p>More seriously... I believe JKR said that Regulus was "a fine guess." I don't think she ever actually confirmed it.</p>
<p>IMO, your second argument is right for the wrong reasons. Everyone from the Order believes that Snape killed Dumbledore under Voldie's orders, therefore, he cannot still be a spy for them. Of course we don't actually know for sure what they all believe, but that's what it looks like.</p>
<p>dub...
that's an interesting idea about Aberforth being hte barman. I am looking forward to hearing from him and that would be a perfect set up. </p>
<p>IMO...
Snape killed Dumbledore under his orders because
1. He didn't want Malfoy to die.
2. He feels that undercover Snape is more useful than himself.
When he pleaded with Snape at the end it was because he was begging him to do it already and to not mention that Harry was present (snape probably saw the 2 broomsticks). Snape looked at Dumbledore with hate as he killed him because he resented this request. </p>
<p>Harry can't be a Horcrux because he needs to destroy all of them before he can destroy Voldemort, therefore, Harry would die before Voldemort...also, V doesn't like to be dependent on other people. </p>
<p>Apparently the fact that D had Harry's father's cloak is significant but I can't figure that one out....</p>
<p>BTW lindsey...my closest friends tormented me for the entire month that it took to finish the series. I don't mind being a nerd, but it is always fun to engage in nerdy behavior with other people.</p>
<p>I hate physics. I worked like crazy in that class and only ended up with a 94-or-so average.</p>
<p>Well, what I mean is that Snape is still on the Order's Side. He's still working against Voldermort and just waiting until the right moment to "betray" him / help Harry. He is probably the only character on Harry Potter who can work by himself / think for himself, so he really doesn't need the order to carry out his purposes.</p>
<p>As for RAB being Regulus, it's almost a fact. In the Dutch version of the book (with the Dutch being notorious for literally translating words), the initials found were not RAB, but RAZ -- "Zwarts" being the Dutch word for "Black". Same thing in the Norwegian version. Also, "Isabel Nunes, the Portuguese translator of the series, claimed to the Portuguese website Nimbus Network that R.A.B. is indeed Sirius's brother. She asked the gender of the mystery character, for matters of translation, and in the answer she received not only the sex, but the name: Regulus Arcturus Black."</p>
<p>As for the quote "She does a great job of making her books appealing to people of ALL ages. How many authors can honestly do that?"</p>
<p>I've given that I think she is very good at making plots. That in itself can be appealing to people of ALL ages. She has no actual talent in writing it out and arranging words so that they ring like magic. That last book Rowling wrote, disregarding the plot, sounded like a bad fanfiction.</p>
<p>You want me to tell you about the seventh book? Okay. Harry will be on a quest to find and "destroy" all the horcurxes. Hermione and Ron will be there to help him. Fast forward -- Harry learns the truth about Snape when Snape goes and sacrifices himself to help him. Harry (who may indeed be the last horcrux for dramatic purposes) sees Voldy. Voldy tells him that he's a horcrux, and is all "Ha. You can't destroy me." Harry takes one last look at his friends, and takes both himself and Voldy out. Harry's commemorated as a hero. Exeunt.</p>
<p>...See, I wouldn't be surprised at all if that happens. It sounds very Rowling-esque. Of course, I have around 5 other endings that could happen, but you get my point.</p>
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No, actually, I changed my mind - AVADA KEDAVRA!
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Genius!</p>
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You want me to tell you about the seventh book? Okay. Harry will be on a quest to find and "destroy" all the horcurxes. Hermione and Ron will be there to help him. Fast forward -- Harry learns the truth about Snape when Snape goes and sacrifices himself to help him. Harry (who may indeed be the last horcrux for dramatic purposes) sees Voldy. Voldy tells him that he's a horcrux, and is all "Ha. You can't destroy me." Harry takes one last look at his friends, and takes both himself and Voldy out. Harry's commemorated as a hero. Exeunt.
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Whatever. Hey, you're entitled to your opinion. But for the record, you suck! But in the nicest way possible :)</p>
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You want me to tell you about the seventh book? Okay. Harry will be on a quest to find and "destroy" all the horcurxes. Hermione and Ron will be there to help him. Fast forward -- Harry learns the truth about Snape when Snape goes and sacrifices himself to help him. Harry (who may indeed be the last horcrux for dramatic purposes) sees Voldy. Voldy tells him that he's a horcrux, and is all "Ha. You can't destroy me." Harry takes one last look at his friends, and takes both himself and Voldy out. Harry's commemorated as a hero. Exeunt.
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<p>The first part I generally agree with, but there is no way that Harry is a horcrux.</p>
<p>First of all, in order to create a horcrux, you must kill someone. Voldemort himself has never killed anyone in front of Harry with the exception of his parents. When he killed his parents, he was planning to kill Harry too, so why would he have made him into a horcrux just to kill him afterward?</p>
<p>The Priori Incantatem (Voldie's wand spitting out everything that it had done in reverse order) also offers proof. He killed Lily, (no horcrux) then he killed Frank Bryce, (possible horcrux in Nagini) then Wormtail used the wand to kill Cedric (no Voldie horcrux). Harry would have had to have somehow been made into a horcrux before Voldemort went after the Potters, which is ridiculous because he wouldn't have gone to Godric's Hollow to kill his own Horcrux. He would have had to have been made a Horcrux in the Ministry in Book Five, the last time Harry saw him, and Voldemort didn't kill anyone there, did he?</p>
<p>Most obviously, if Harry were a horcrux, then why on earth does Voldie want to kill him so badly?</p>
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The Priori Incantatem (Voldie's wand spitting out everything that it had done in reverse order) also offers proof. He killed Lily, (no horcrux) then he killed Frank Bryce, (possible horcrux in Nagini) then Wormtail used the wand to kill Cedric (no Voldie horcrux). Harry would have had to have somehow been made into a horcrux before Voldemort went after the Potters, which is ridiculous because he wouldn't have gone to Godric's Hollow to kill his own Horcrux. He would have had to have been made a Horcrux in the Ministry in Book Five, the last time Harry saw him, and Voldemort didn't kill anyone there, did he?
<p>well,a horcrux is only a 7th of voldemort's soul, wouldnt he rather lose that then having the threat of Harry who may destroy all the horcruxes and kill him in the end?</p>
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well,a horcrux is only a 7th of voldemort's soul, wouldnt he rather lose that then having the threat of Harry who may destroy all the horcruxes and kill him in the end?
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<p>I guess that's a good point. He'd just make another one after Harry dies naturally then; I don't think he'd stick with just six pieces of his soul. You still have the problem of how/when Voldie could have made him into a Horcrux though.</p>