<p>Probably at Brigham Young and North Dakota State, also. </p>
<p>A high yield rate means little, however, if you are not competing with other elites for the same applicants. If you are competing for applicants admitted to other elite schools, then yield is, indeed, <em>the</em> key stat.</p>
<p>I just remember years ago when the head of a law dept. for a major oil company heard an employee's D was going to a little known but wee-respected practically oriented law school withour grade inflation, that he told the employee to send his D to him for a job when she graduated, because he was tired of the theoreticians who could argue a point distraction from Harvard, but he needed someone who could actually do the nitty gritty work! She was hired, and rose faster than the ivy grads.</p>
<p>Byerly, I prefer Honda vs Lexus, even discounting cost. By driving a Honda, I say to the world, I don't care what you think of me. By driving a Lexus, I say to the world, I care what other people think, therefore I must act/dress accordingly.
Case in point I drive a Honda, no plastic surgery,not yet anyway(lol).
My neighbor drives a Lexus, technically the same car, but the outside is more package, she also have had plastic surgery, eyelid surgery(lol), even against husband's wish. So it does affect one's psychology. That is why I still prefer driving a Honda.</p>
<p>go honda drivers!</p>
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<p>The yield rate for the ED half the Harvard class (90-95% of whom don't receive financial aid) is 100%. </p>
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<p>Mini, your misstatement about the "ED" half of the Harvard class and its yield has already been corrected, but where are you getting the statistic that "90-95%" of EA admits don't receive financial aid?</p>
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<blockquote> <ol> <li>At Harvard at least, almost no one is rejected SCEA. I think the number rejected ED at Princeton is also very small.<<</li> </ol> </blockquote>
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<p>Yeah, but at Yale and Stanford they reject plenty in the EA round. It's a distinct possibility.</p>
<p>Umm, point of order: the Lexus is part of the Toyota family, not Honda. I drive an Avalon, which has the same engine as the small Lexus but is a larger car. I had a client who used to work for Toyota that Avalons are designed for people who like to <em>think</em> they have money but really don't, LOL.</p>
<p>I was waiting for some one to talk about Hondas.</p>
<p>... a distinction without a difference.</p>
<p>While, in theory a smaller fraction of SCEA applicants are deferred at Yale, a much, much higher fraction of those deferees are later admitted. (14% last year, vs. 5% for deferrees at Harvard.) The bottom line: no one is hurt by applying early at either school.</p>
<p>Byerly:</p>
<p>Do you have any data how many kids are accepted in Harvard for economics major? Does Harvard offer a combine undergrad degree program in International Relations and Economics? Is Financial engineering offered at Princeton is similar to the Huntsman program at Wharton?</p>
<p>Byerly,</p>
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While, in theory a smaller fraction of SCEA applicants are deferred at Yale, a much, much higher fraction of those deferees are later admitted. (14% last year, vs. 5% for deferrees at Harvard.)
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<p>I know that you have lots of statistics on admit rates, etc. Where did you get this bit of data?</p>
<p>I ask because it seems to me that if a school wants to increase its yield but does not want to go over the magic 50% line in filling their class early they would accept a large number of deferreds. Do you see this happening much? Further, taking these numbers out of the broader pool, how does it impact the real RD pool?</p>
<p>(Perhaps a discussion for another thread)</p>
<p>All,</p>
<p>I am feeling left out, our family drives a Saab and a Dodge. Not sure where that places me in this discussion because no one has mentioned either of these brand of cars. Perhaps we should start a new fun thread:</p>
<p>"If school X were a car what would it be?"</p>
<p>"SAAB: the thinking man's car"</p>
<h2>This well-known phrase is obviously true, since we have two of them!</h2>
<p>You have put you finger on a development I've been watching closely and trying to get more information about - namely, the "hidden" expansion of early admission programs beyond the "magic 50%" line by the device of admitting many of such applicants later as "deferreds."</p>
<p>I think more people would agree that these "deferreds", when admitted, are likely to be high yield: they are pre-identified as well-disposed to the school, and obviously have not been admitted early elsewhere.</p>
<p>For the Class of 2008, Harvard admitted 139 deferees with the RD pool, and Yale admitted an eyebrow-raising 249 deferees as part of its smaller RD pool.</p>
<p>Obviously, one would have to have a lot more information before drawing any conclusion about what is going on here, and the 2009 numbers may differ from the 2008 numbers.</p>
<p>But it is interestin to note that if you consider ALL early applicants as a group - including both "original" admits and deferred admits, Harvard took enough of them to fill 63% of the class of 2008 if they had all accepted. Yale? It took enough applicants from the early pool to fill a whopping 70% of the class of 2008! While I don't have the number of ED deferreds later admitted at Princeton, I would be very much surprised if its overall fraction from the early pool is not equal to Yale's or ever larger!</p>
<p>This is why Princeton MUST move to SCEA in my opinion. It gets you an early pool that is twice the size - all identified as pre-disposed to your school and willing to forego early opportunities elsewhere. Huge upside benefits for the yield rate!</p>
<p>Hopefully you have one of the "Real" Saabs, a 9-3 or a 9-5. Further, I hope it has a "Real" Saab engine, one of the 4-cylinder versions, not the GM V6s they are trying to push on us!</p>
<p>Not sure about the "Thinking man's car" thing, that statement would prevent my wife from driving the car! Though I would like to see the demographics/psychographics on the Saab brand.</p>
<p>I've been driving SAABs for years.</p>
<p>Further, I've avoided the GM-6's on the dealer's advice.</p>
<p>Amen...Mini. ;)</p>
<p>H. consistently ranks close to the bottom of the 33 COFHE (Consortium of Financing Higher Education) in student satisfaction with academic quality; last survey they were 28th. (Princeton Review found the same thing when surveying students). 27 LACs, Ivies, and others ranked higher - as did Berea. They may have a high yield (though not as high as Berea for RD admits), but they may not be getting as good an education - or at least the students don't believe they are. But then some of them probably couldn't get into Berea; I know, with 100% certainty, that some of them couldn't get into the South Puget Sound Community College Nursing Program.</p>
<p>Now, mind you - all top 50 schools, including H., are great schools. But what good is a high yield if students are less than satisfied when they get there?</p>
<p>The COFHE subscores are significant as well:</p>
<p>"On the five-point scale, Harvard students gave an average score of 2.92 on faculty availability, compared to an average 3.39 for the other COFHE schools. Harvard students gave a 3.16 for quality of instruction, compared to a 3.31 for the other schools, and a 2.54 for quality of advising in their major, compared to 2.86 for the other schools."</p>
<p>Now, note, this was compared to the "average" of the 33 schools, not the top ones. The distance from the top is very large indeed.</p>
<p>mini: can you post all the results? Seems that COFHE is member only site.</p>
<p>Byerly,</p>
<p>Understood on the huge upside on the yield for the schools. I would also like to point out that it is a huge downside for the RD applicant because of the following scenario:</p>
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<li><p>Assume schools X had an overall acceptance rate of 10% and needs to fill 2000 seats.</p></li>
<li><p>School X receives 5000 applications SCEA and accepts 1000 of them and defers 3000 of them into the regular pool. This translates to a 20% acceptance rate for an early pool, roughly 2x the overall acceptance rate which is pretty standard.</p></li>
<li><p>Assuming that school X gets a 90% yield on the SCEA admits that leaves 1100 eats to be filled. School X then receives another 15000 applications RD + the 3000 deferreds for those 1100 seats. </p></li>
<li><p>School X then admits 300 (10%) of the deferred pool after calling each of them to see if they would attend if admitted for 100% yield on those students. That leaves 800 seats for the 15,000 RD applicants or an RD acceptance rate of just over 5%.</p></li>
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<p>I use the number I just did for illustrative purposes but they are not far from what you cited above. My translation is that 2 things just occured in the last bullet, the SCEA acceptance rate went up from 1000 out of 5000 to 1300 out of 5000 or 26% or 5x the RD acceptance rate.</p>
<p>Again, I used the numbers for illustrative purposes so I know that schools X would have to accept more than just the remaining seats during RD to fill all their seats because the yield is not 100%. However, it appears that SCEA may skew the acceptance rates between early and RD even more than ED and EA.</p>
<p>Not sure this is a bad thing but it would clearly emphasize applying early even more than in the past.</p>