<p>Its most likely true what he is saying, but the way he says it incites controversy.</p>
<p>At great institutions such as Harvard, they hire professors who are experts within their field who can make a name for themselves and for the College.</p>
<p>Professors at all great research universties are hired for their research prowness and not for their undergrad teaching ability....</p>
<p>You don't go to Harvard to get an undergraduate educational experience. Thats all fluff and BS. You go there to be around bright people and have network connections for jobs. Become among elite...</p>
<p>You go to Rice if you want to actually get worthwhile attention from professors who can probably teach the basic stuff you will learn in college. Professors at Harvard and Rice are probably pHds and probably haven't reviewed any of these introductory class materials in decades. They are way too calibrated and intelligent to be regurgitating such trivially basic information back to undergrads, so ofcourse they would give off the impression that they don't care about you, because they dont!</p>
<p>Ok Jmanco. You find the number of harvard grads with crappy jobs and I'll find the number of rice grads... I'm pretty sure who comes out on top here...</p>
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<p>Well, this is certainly the depressing perspective...</p>
<p>Haha someone said that there are plenty of Harvard grads making coffee for a living. So I have two questions then, how many rice grads are doing that and where do you get your information from? ALSO HOW DO I QUOTE SOMEONE</p>
<p>^^^ Also I do not think it is depressing at all, it is simply reality. The social networking at Harvard and the people you will come in contact with are the leaders of the future.</p>
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So basically, you're saying that if you hae a Harvard degree, you're set for life. That is so wrong, there a plenty of Harvard grads who work in coffee shops; seriously, how blinded can you get, noone hires people only because of a degree.
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That is very true. One family that I know of, one son went to harvard, another one went to MIT, and the third went to NYU... The two that went to Harvard and MIT are high school teachers and the NYU son is now an MD</p>
<p>Another example... I know someone who got a PhD in Civic Engineering at Duke but ended up working in his wife's dental office as a manager (she did not go to prestigious dental school)</p>
<p>HOTASICE - do you still have the lists from princetonreview of best undergrad experience? i didn't know rice won that in 2007. i know chicago won it recently too, and i just want to see how both have done over the years. certainly those 2 are looked at highly as great for undergrad. winning that ranking says a lot about student satisfaction indeed.</p>
<p>Oh, my bad. Sheed is right. In 2007 Rice was ranked #3 for best overall undergraduate academic experience; I got it confused with Rice's #1 ranking for best quality of life, which are two different things.</p>
<p>Sorry for the confusion. At any rate, I think I got the point across.</p>
<p>Harvard attracts the brightest, most motivated, the most well-rounded students from all over the world. Harvard isn't perfect and it may lack in certain areas compared to other top schools, notably top LACs or schools like Dartmouth with more undergrad focus. However, it has many other strengths unrivaled by any other: its name, networking, uber elite faculty, tradition, intellectual atmosphere, cultural diversity, etc.</p>
<p>people don't care wear you went to grad school.</p>
<p>"networking, uber elite faculty, tradition, intellectual atmosphere, cultural diversity"</p>
<p>The "buer elite" faculty doesn't care about undergrads. They care about research. The only reason to go to Harvard is so you can have bragging rights. And say "I go to Hah-vahd, I am amazing."</p>
<p>For graduate school it is pretty amazing though.</p>
<p>Also, Harvard doesn't look for well-rounded students; they look for well-lopsided students.</p>
<p>"Harvard attracts the brightest, most motivated" prestige freaks "from all over the world."</p>
<p>^uhm, you seem to have some personal thing going on against Harvard. Your attacks on Harvard could fit into any other elite school of its caliber, such as Yale, Stanford, MIT, Oxford, Cambridge, and so on. I genuinely suspect that the kids who are qualified enough to gain acceptance to Harvard would NOT be a bunch of prestige freaks who are just there for the name. No. The Harvard students tend to be among most accomplished college students in the country in terms of both academics and extra curricular accomplishments.</p>
<p>Based on what my friends, college guides, realtives have told me, Yale cares about undergrads, and you're not a cog in a machine who professors don't care about.</p>
<p>Seriously, people just like Harvard because it's selective, but you can geta far better education at places with 25 percent or less acceptance rates.</p>
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<p>I think they do. Much more so than undergrad. Harvard MBA vs. Arizona State MBA, no difference?</p>
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The "buer elite" faculty doesn't care about undergrads. They care about research. The only reason to go to Harvard is so you can have bragging rights. And say "I go to Hah-vahd, I am amazing."
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<p>Have you taken any courses at Harvard? Harvard isn't the only school that hires its professors based on their research capabilities. Any major research university hires professors who do their research even if they may not be the best teachers. </p>
<p>Now back to your original statement that Harvard is ridiculously overrated - do some quick research about the school before making a difinitive statement. Most of Harvard's Arts majors rank top 5 in the world. Law, MBA, Medicine, all Ph.D programs, etc. rank top 5 in the world. They have the most number of nobel prize-winning faculty. They have some of the best undergrad and grad school student body. Considering all these factual evidences, why would Harvard be overrated? I actually think that it deserves the credit it gets consdiering all these facts. Like I said before, Harvard has some weaknesses, but it pales in comparison to its strengths.</p>
<p>On the other hand, Rice may be better than Harvard in providing more undergrad focused education. But, that is one area of its strength. Rice doesn't have any of its departments, grad school programs, undergrad majors, etc, ranking in top 15. Its student body, also, isn't as stellar as Harvard student body. Stating that Rice is superior to Harvard is a very absurd observation indeed.</p>
<p>Jobs don't care where you went to graduate school as long as you went somewhere with a 35 percent or less acceptance rate.</p>
<p>You really think a law firm is going to care whether or not you graduated from Harvard or Vandy?</p>
<p>Also, none of those teachers care about undergrads, they care about research.</p>
<p>Why would you go to a school with huge lectures where the teachers don't een know your name when you can go somewhere that's still prety selective, has great teachers, teachers actually care about you, and you get to have small group discussions?</p>
<p>Rice students are not any less "stellar" that Harvard students, as noone cares about a 45 points difference in SAT score.</p>
<p>You'll still be surrounded by smart people. I think that Rice students are actually more stellar because, unlike many Harvard people, they aren't prestige freaks who go to a school because it has name recognition.</p>