<p>"They found that within a single neuron, some parts of neurons change over evolution, while other parts stay the same. It's a lesson in how neurons can evolve in a complex way."</p>
<p>Really? LOL. <em>roll eyes</em></p>
<p>"33 MCAT, JHU undergrad who spent 1 year working with Mother Teresa in India as an extra-curricular, then got MPH degree"</p>
<p>Darn it! I was hoping to get a hold of mother theresa. <em>sighs</em></p>
<p>wf:D</p>
<p>someone just recommended this boo to me. I'm trying to get it. :)</p>
<p>sgopal2, #5 on your list sounds like John Kerry's daughter.</p>
<p>The average MCAT at Harvard is around 35 not 33. That takes into account a major drop in the MCAT score of hooked acceptees. So if you unhooked (i.e. not Kerry's daughter) normal college student, then you should really be shooting for at least a 37 to get considered.</p>
<p>what are somethings to do to impress Harvard Medical school admission officers?</p>
<p>crimsonbulldog, that sounds a little over the top. i'm sure your mcat better be good but how low do you think the hooked applicants pull down the average? surely a 35 would be enough to "get considered." Or is that just wishful thinking on my part?</p>
<p>what are the chances of somebody who graduated high school 1st in their class out of 573 students and during their high school carrier taking dual-enrollment classes and technically being considered a sophomore in collage when they graduate high school being accepted into HMS?</p>
<p>would i have a "somewhat" good chance of getting accepted strait out of high school (with the dual-enrollment & top of my class situation) if i made a 40 on the MCAT?</p>
<p>does anybody know for sure?</p>
<p>thanks</p>
<p>Straight out of high school? Chances are basically zero. As for the rest, HMS's acceptance rate is a matter of public record. High school accomplishments have no bearing on medical school admissions and are startlingly unpredictive of college accomplishments.</p>
<p>40's are absurdly rare and depend heavily on luck as well as intelligence and study habits. There is no sense hypothesizing about this.</p>
<p>Spending only three years in college will hurt you, not help you.</p>
<h2>Here's a kid I know who made it into HMS. He was also a Rhodes scholar prior to getting in at HMS.</h2>
<p>Neil A. Hattangadi</p>
<p>Degree: Duke University: B.S.E., Biomedical Engineering, Chemistry, Economics, 1999
Career Goals: Biotechnology entrepreneur
Oxford Course: M.Phil., Economics
Neil Hattangadi attended Duke University on an Angier B. Duke Scholarship. Over the course of his undergraduate career, he developed a portable electronic chip which, upon application of a single drop of a patient�s blood, can reveal instantly the concentrations of thousands of compounds of clinical interest. The project has resulted in three publications and a patent application. He was awarded the Grand Prize at the 46th International Science and Engineering Fair, the Glenn T. Seaborg Award to attend the 1995 Nobel Prize ceremonies in Stockholm. He is President of the Duke Chapter of Tau Beta Pi (the National Engineering Honor Society), which performs engineering-related service projects in the Duke and Durham communities, and serves as a volunteer instructor in Adult/Child/ Infant CPR and First Aid for the American Red Cross. He swam for Duke�s NCAA Division I Varsity swimming team. He is a competitive triathlete, training for his first half-ironman this summer. He hopes �to use my out-of-class time at Oxford to hone my golf skills and become an English lager connoisseur.�</p>
<p>Yea but dual enrollment and a 4.0 HS GPA is 50X better than being a Rhodes Scholar.</p>
<p>How much does HMS and other numbers-oriented med schools (although I'm guessing this is redundant) consider a slightly lower GPA as a result of a sport/majoring in a science?</p>
<p>Rumor: Sport quite a bit -- assuming it's a Division I Varsity sport -- but majoring in a science very little. You can check out HMS's science GPA for yourself. It's barely lower than their overall.</p>
<p>Yeah I was talking DI varsity. Where could I check that GPA stat out?</p>
<p>Majoring in science-not so much if you check out the stats. Another myth is that people automatically assume that their science GPA's are supposed to be much much lower than their overall GPA's. The fact is, most of the students accepted to med school are very strong in science with science GPA's within 0.1 of their overall GPA's. From my MSAR (which is a couple of years old), HMS' median GPA is 3.85 with a median science GPA of 3.85.</p>
<p>Division I Varsity-great hook and a good way to stand out. I think HMS will consider a Division I athlete with a 3.7 GPA on par as someone with a 3.8 GPA. Blaming your 3.3 on an intramural ultimate frisbee tourney isn't going to fly though.</p>
<p>Wow...that's great news on the whole varsity sports deal.</p>
<p>NCG,</p>
<p>The Hattangadi kid I pasted above, was a Val at Duke. So, I think 4.0 must be very likely a given I would think. In his case, I do believe that his research involvement helped him a lot. </p>
<p>It's hard to say the weight of Rhodes vs Truman vs other scholarships. These probably just corroborate the consistency of these candidates. </p>
<p>I wish we could get more insights from Med school Adcom members here.</p>
<p>All of this is very impressive. However, applicants should not despair. Although an HMS reputation will give you an advantage equivalent to a Hopkins medical student for residency placement (at least by residency director reputation score as in USNews - not lump sum research cash rank), plenty of people who get into HMS do not get residencies at The Johns Hopkins Hospital (#1) or Massachusetts General Hospital (#5, but still great because it's Harvard and in Boston rather than Baltimore). Many other slots are filled by the best of the best from a variety of other medical schools with top-notch USMLE scores and outstanding clinical performance (obviously more relevant predictors of physician quality than pre-med coursework). Not everyone is early out of the gate and science-minded from the get-go. All of these accomplishments can get your foot in the door to some great institutions, but if they do not ultimately result in top residency placement, nobody cares - medical school is just a stop along the way to the final prize that the medical world actually cares about when considering you for a position. What matters is what kind of doctor you become/what residency trained you - and as you might imagine, personality flaws and lack of experience outside of books come back to haunt even the best on paper. A lot of this is echoing the old JHUSOM vs. HMS thread on here, but appropriate nonetheless as it seems some people may be losing heart although they may simply be late-bloomers that are still full of great potential (even if they don't have a Nobel Prize by age 9).</p>
<p>Thanks for throwing in the reality check Lindane... we all need to hear that</p>
<p>So, my conclusion is that it is basically a waste of time to apply to HMS. I was suggesting it to my D, I will reverse my advice to her.</p>