<p>When I said Harvard Econ > Berkeley Econ, I based that off after-grad data. </p>
<p>You cannot say "the strenght of the program is almost universally better at Berkeley". Who judges that? There is no quantitative data at all and the only such data is in post-graduate surveys (where we both agree Harvard grads do better).</p>
<p>For me, Harvard econ for Ugrad is better academically. For you, a Berkeley student, obviously you prefer Berkeley's academics. I rate academics based on post-graduate success as well as learning and quality of student body.</p>
<p>You can't tell me that I'll learn more at Berkeley. Everything depends on the individual. However I can tell you that I will earn more graduating from Harvard and will find a higher quality of student body at Harvard.</p>
<p>Edit: I don't know whether you got into Harvard or not but why would that relevant at all?</p>
<p>Please lay off the personal attacks as it doesn't speak much for your character. Don't play with words or attack people but try to see where I am coming from.</p>
<p>Even your biased Berkeley friend agreed with me that the avg econ Harvard ugrad earns more. Am I wrong in this?</p>
<p>Yes it is. Perhaps there is a misunderstanding then? </p>
<p>All I'm saying is that quality of academics can never be truly measured (just opinions) but that avg salary and post-graduate success can be measured. This is what I care about (maybe you care about something else) and this is why I would personally choose Harvard ugrad over Berkeley ugrad.</p>
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<p>Hm. Well we're obviously different people. I don't measure the quality of programs by the students who went there. Only the faculty that taught them.</p>
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<p>All I mean by "strenght of the program" is the published graduate rankings. Berkeley is almost universally better than Harvard in those rankings. Why? Because it's faculty is superior. I guess if you're going to measure the quality of an academic department at a large research university like the ones we're talking about by the undergraduate graduates, then yeah the quality of Harvard is vastly superior to Berkeley.</p>
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<p>I never said anything to the contrary. What I said (or meant to say given my definition of "program") was that Berkeley's faculty is, as a whole, intellectually superior to Harvard's. Yes, I admit it, Berkeley undergraduates are nowhere near as bright as Harvard students. </p>
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Edit: I don't know whether you got into Harvard or not but why would that relevant at all?
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<p>Because whenever I defend Berkeley's programs (as I define them-by faculty) I get people saying I have an inferiority complex and couldn't have done "better" (as they define it.) Obviously I did do "better" and decided that "better" wasn't for me.</p>
<p>Okay then I think we agree that I would be happier at Harvard because I like the quality of student body there and the job opportunities it will give me upon graduation and you like Berkeley because of the faculty.</p>
<p>"Yes, you misunderstood what was being discussed."</p>
<p>How can that be possible if you were the first to address my posts? Shouldn't you be catering to what I am discussing if you are to address my points?</p>
<p>Geez, you must be really smart. Good for you! I'm sure you'll be a big success in life. I bet you go to a great school, much better than Berkeley.</p>
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<p>So you're saying that I didn't deserve to go to Harvard because my parents aren't rich enough to not have to stress about financing a Harvard education but not poor enough to not have to worry about it at all? </p>
<p>Depends on what you are comparing GentlemanandScholar. I would pick CMU for a majority of fields undergrad including computer science, information systems, drama, arts, business, etc. I don't think you can unbiasedly say one school is better than the other.</p>
<p>I don't know where the personal attack came from because I am just trying to figure out where we got the misunderstanding?</p>
<p>It's definitely very difficult to get in even for in-state residents. A ton of my senior friends got rejected from UCLA, and they're still waiting on Berkeley, but I'm sure even more will be rejected from there. And these are some really smart kids, like above the 4.0 line and with 2200s.
Look up UCB on theu.com and watch the movie. Would YOU like to go there? I wouldn't. And I don't like Harvard much, either. There is a ton of grade inflation and the professors are too busy selling their books to talk to students. I would much rather go to another tier-one school where I could be happy like the ones I listed. Plus, Harvard grads don't really have a significant advantage. My dad went to OSU and ended up working his way to becoming a CFO of a national department store chain. (I definitely don't want to go to OSU)
By the way, this is not me being bitter because of my low chances. My GC put both Harvard and UCB down on my list of suggested colleges I apply to.</p>
<p>Berkeley blooows. Everyone who has pretty good scores gets in if they live in CA. Duke on the other hand, is a top 5 school that is ranked 15 spots higher than Berkeley.</p>