<p>Stanford's increase was about 4% to about 4400 applications, leading all early-admissions programs.</p>
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<p>I made a typographical error.</p>
<p>LOL! Sure ...counting the "incompletes"! A curious way to puff your numbers.</p>
<p>Yeah, that's pretty sad.....</p>
<p>Getting back to the discussion on admit rates for African-Americans and Hispanics, do you have statistics on GRADUATION rates? I wonder whether, and how, the differential admit rates translates into differential graduation rates.</p>
<p>Actually, it is not only gross graduation rates that matter, but also with WHICH MAJORS they graduate. In my college days, there was a major that was designated for football players. The department was very accommodating with grades and class-cutting. A few of the football players, to be sure, went on to successfull careers in law and business, but you have to wonder about the rest of them -- what is a mediocre GPA in American Studies good for? </p>
<p>So the question for this topic is -- are these easier-entry African-Americans and Hispanics actually getting a good education in rigorous thinking and sound professional preparation, or are they simply used by colleges to inflate their diversity image, like so much adornment, to be used, shunted into friendly majors like African American or Latin American Studies to keep the graduation rates high, and then discarded four years laters to fend for themselves, after their usefulness has been spent?</p>
<p>No one will question the brilliance of the likes of Condi Rice, Johnny Cochrane, or Roger Ferguson; they will do well no matter what happens. (The same is probably true of candalize too.) But what are the outcomes of the rest of the African Americans admitted at a 50% rate, or Hispanics at a 35% rate, after college?</p>
<p>Does anyone have the figures?</p>
<p>(By the way, you would not catch Rice, Cochrane or Ferguson say "I could care less,", I bet. Not getting confused by double negatives does matter.)</p>
<p>Yeah, that's pretty sad.....</p>
<p>Like rounding up and saying you have "Around 4000"? :)</p>
<p>I actually heard that Hispanics enjoy a higher acceptance rate. Is this valid? There was this website that said that Hispanics have gotten in with lower SAT scores than blacks.</p>
<p>Maybe so apfreak since hispanics are the 2nd lowest in representation (next to the silly american-indians)</p>
<p>"LOL! Sure ...counting the "incompletes"! A curious way to puff your numbers.</p>
<p>Well, I was one of those "incompletes" because my school forgot to send the transcript. They, however, have a signed statement of mine saying that I am applying SCEA. So, I dont think its that ludicrus Byerly</p>
<p>"I actually heard that Hispanics enjoy a higher acceptance rate."</p>
<p>From where?</p>
<p>Black graduation rates at the nation's top colleges are quite high. According to The Journal of Blacks in Higher Education (Autumn 2004), Harvard's black graduation rate in 2004 was 93%. Princeton's was also 93% and Yale's was 88%. Amherst was highest among highly selective colleges at 95%. These rates compare favorably with those of their non-black counterparts. The gap between black and non-black graduation rates tends to widen as you look at less selective colleges (a cohort of college where affirmative action is largely irrelevant).</p>
<p>Regarding majors, according to The Black Guide to Life at Harvard (2002), of 356 African American undergraduates surveyed, only 7 were Afro-American Studies concentrators (Harvard-ese for "majors"). The top concentration for black students was Economics (17%) which was also the top concentration for all Harvard students (12%). In fact, there were more black concentrators in each of the following departments than in Afro-American studies: anthropology, biochemical sciences, biology, economics, english, government, history, history and literature, psychology, social studies, and sociology.</p>
<p>And incidentally, 4thFloor, the Afro-American Studies department at Harvard is terrific. And non-blacks are as likely to be enrolled in their courses as blacks.</p>
<p>Sorry if facts do not confirm your not-too-veiled prejudices.</p>
<p>I would have to agree with collegecanwait's sentiment, Byerly. Forgetting a transcript or missing a teacher recommendation is hardly a reason to discount an application.</p>
<p>after reading this thread, it is apparent that a lot of you are struggling with racial bigotry </p>
<p>i hope you dont wind up where im going</p>
<p>where are you going...? :)</p>
<p>"Sorry if facts do not confirm your not-too-veiled prejudices"</p>
<p>Your response begins with an attempt to make a constructive contribution to a serious discussion. Unfortunately, you end it with an unproven, unfair, baseless personal attack that is prejudicial in the true sense of the word. It puts you in bad standing, and you should apologize.</p>
<p>Apologize for what?</p>
<p>Smariomaster-You arent very bright are you? The statistics I stated were approximates, therefore they werent exact numbers. I approximated from the numbers from last year. An increase in minority applicants doesnt mean a jump of a whole point or even half a point. The increase is in the freaking tens. And those rich latinos that I spoke of, they arent hispanic at all. They are white individuals who fled to south america during WWII and resided in Argentina and Uruguay. They had their money and culture and married inbetween their own community. Thats why you see them driving Mercedeses and BMs. They were rich by family and not by hard work. I dont know, but hispanics with white skin and blue eyes seem a little iffy to be classified as hispanics. Get your facts straight.</p>
<p>In regards to the other person's claim that the AA and Hispanic admit rates for EA is 50% and 35% respectively, you are way off. Its the other way around. Hispanics follow Native Americans in underrepresentation and if anything those values would be inverted.</p>
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<p>This kind of strange statement is why I think governments, education institutions of all kinds, and private employers should get out of the business of trying to categorize people by ethnicity for targeted benefits programs. We are all human beings here, all closer or more distant relatives. Any of these smaller categories are fictional and highly debatable.</p>
<p>Yes, what is disturbing is when upper middle class white suburban people who have lived their lives as white anglo saxon protestant, irish, swedish, german, italian, jewish and are ethnically substantially from these groups all of a sudden become "hispanic" for purposes of college applications and merit scholarship hispanic recognition awards. African Americans who have suffered years of discrimination deserve their chance ...the morality of aiding a poor person whose parents don't speak english but shows academic potential is obvious...but allowing upper middle class caucasians to benefit because they claim to have some distant "hispanic" relative and are supposedly 25% hispanic just takes away from the people these programs were intended to help.</p>
<p>On <a href="http://www.crimson.com%5B/url%5D">www.crimson.com</a> there is an article that says Harvard received "about" 4000. Could this "about" mean 300 less or so?</p>