<p>ske293, The data from the NYT chart comes from a random selection of high school seniors across the United States. It was also conducted in 2000, a time when people gave Harvard far more credit than it deserves. I'd expect the cross-admit yield rates to be closer to equilibrium presently.</p>
<p>Stanford..nothing beats Cali</p>
<p>I don't think the students were selected at random. They were selected from the top of the class at each school.</p>
<p>I doubt things have changed that much between 2000 and 2007.</p>
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No, the chart is based on the actual college choices made by the subjects. There had to be extrapolations because students didn't just apply to two colleges and chose one; they chose from several, and the model had to incorporate that information into college A vs. college B type scenario.
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<p>Uh, no, it is not. I've written quite a few posts about the RP study, and I also know some of the authors. And I'll say to everybody here what I have always said about the study - * please read it before you comment on it *. </p>
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ske293, The data from the NYT chart comes from a random selection of high school seniors across the United States.
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<p>No, that's not true either. The NYT chart is directly pulled from the RP study, so both of their conclusions are one and the same.</p>
<p>So let me review some of the points. </p>
<p>First off, the RP/NYT did not use a random selection of high school seniors across the United States. In fact, it pulled from a selection of the top high schools (those that have a record of sending multiple students yearly to top colleges), and only looked at the opinions of top students at those schools (top X % of the class). </p>
<p>* In order to find students who were appropriate candidates for the survey, we worked
with counselors from 510 high schools around the United States. The high schools that were
selected had a record of sending several students to selective colleges each year, and they were
identified using published guides to secondary schools and the experience of admissions
experts.10 Each counselor selected ten students at random from the top of his senior class as
measured by grade point average. Counselors at public schools selected students at random
from the top 10 percent of the senior class, while counselors at private schools (which tend to
be smaller and have higher mean college aptitude) selected students at random from the top 20
percent of the senior class *</p>
<p>But secondly, the study is not based on actual college choices made by those students. In fact, if that's all it was, it frankly wouldn't be a very interesting paper. All it would be is a simple regurgitation of cross-admit yield data. No, the paper MODELS what people will PROBABLY do if given 2 choices. That's what the entire matriculation tournament model of p.14-18 is all about - it is meant to fill in the gaps regarding students who don't even apply to certain schools because they already know that they don't want to go there. Or students who get into only 1 (or none) of 2 possible choices - the model attempts to figure out what the student would do * if given the choice *.</p>
<p>But the point is simple. These are not actual college choices. These are * modeled * college choices. Personally, I think modeled choices are actually * better * than actual choices, because that eliminates the problem that actual choices are constrained by the fact that not everybody applies to every school, and the mere act of choosing to apply to a particular school is * itself * a matter of preference. </p>
<p>But in any case, again, I beseech all of you - please READ the study before you comment on it, so that you don't misrepresent what it does and does not say. </p>
<p>Dead heat in heavy crew. They tied for second in the nation.</p>
<p>Stanford is better... Much better weather, and much harder to get into</p>
<p>Stanford has about an 11% admit rate (10.9% to be exact...) and Harvard has a 9% admit rate (8.9% exactly), so how is Stanford much harder to get into?</p>
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Stanford has about an 11% admit rate (10.9% to be exact...) and Harvard has a 9% admit rate (8.9% exactly), so how is Stanford much harder to get into?
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cuz I know lots of ppl who got into Harvard, but not stanford...</p>
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cuz I know lots of ppl who got into Harvard, but not stanford...
ahhh, very scientific and statistically sound, lol...</p>
<p>anyways, Harvard and Stanford are both great schools, you can't go wrong with either.</p>
<p>i think the best thing to do is to list out what you will be missing if you choose the other</p>