<p>VOR, you are equating the size of ones paycheck to success. In #309, you say “but if she only had a Classics degree and didn’t make it to medical school how well off do you think she would be”? I take that to mean money wise.</p>
<p>“Only a classics degree” is very funny, no matter what the school, there is no only in front of classics degree. Very rigorous work. </p>
<p>"It would be more logical to me at least if there was no cap on Asians and instead there was a cap on Whites (non-Jewish, because the Jews have been persecuted too). "</p>
<p>So you don’t have a problem with caps - you just want it to attach to a different group (non-Jewish whites).</p>
<p>BTW, I’m (secularly) Jewish and I’m as white as anyone else from Eastern Europe and I am not really comfortable with how I’m being “othered” into a whole other category here, separate from white WASPs and white Catholics (including my very own white Catholic mother, LOL).</p>
<p>I know, I keep hearing this jewish thing and it sounds so bizarre. Who even thinks that way about jewish people?</p>
<p>Hey mokusatsu are you a Constitutional Scholar, mate, or do you have a magic 8 ball loll lol. Don’t be so sure. If it turns out that Harvard has an Asian quota it will turn ugly. I was talking to a little birdie this morning who used to read apps for Harvard and surely there are implied different standards for Asians. Harvard is smart and knows that there are people like this out there, and although most of them care more for the future legacy quota than speaking the truth (who can blame them hahha) one or two may get a pang of conscience and out the truth. So I suspect Harvard will make the same case that Xiggi is making, that the quota is there to protect AA which is a overriding social benefit. We shall see how the USSC reacts to that. </p>
<p>@collegealum314, the gpa’s of high school women are higher on average. Their records of leadership and ECs are generally better. I also find it humorous that when we talk about Asians, SAT scores are less important but when we talk about women they become all-important. I looked at the gender distributions quickly, expecting to find vast differences at the upper ranges… and I did not.</p>
<p>It really never ceases to amaze me how this crowd leaps to defend the status quo.</p>
<p>poetgrl You are aware that if you score a perfect 1600 SAT you are almost 100% likely to graduate college vs if you have a perfect 4.0 GPA at about 85%. If you know nothing about a person except their SAT score you can estimate that person’s chances of graduating to a high degree not so with GPA. There watering down of the predictive value of SAT/ACT is when researchers try to isolate all kinds of variables to “normalize” the data versus see the data for what it is. Why do you think the top schools like Harvard want to see your SAT/ACT scores and why it selects students with scores over 2100 SAT/ 32 ACT.</p>
<p>Hey Pizzagirl, you talk about Asians all day long like they are this special monkey in the zoo different from other Americans and now you don’t feel right that Jews are called Jews? Roflmao</p>
<p>I said that I am not ok with any caps but if AA is there to right past wrong let those that committed such wrongs and their descendants pay the price. Read what I wrote mate and stop trying to pick a fight with me. Chill and have some fun. </p>
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<p>Ummmm, yeah. I don’t really consider @User51969 to be an actual “source.” Cite your sources. I could tell you I was speaking with the dean of admissions today if I wanted on here. Short version? I don’t believe you.</p>
<p>I’m not the one claiming that Harvard et al divide their applicants up into “Asian groups,” “white non-Jewish groups,” “white Jewish groups,” and so forth.</p>
<p>Yup 3cats (love the nick) sat and gpa matters for boys vs girls but not Asians vs non Asians. Lolololol this crowd is funny and their logic is something else too. No consistency whatsoever and would of so bomb a case interview. </p>
<p>“I said that I am not ok with any caps but if AA is there to right past wrong let those that committed such wrongs and their descendants pay the price.”</p>
<p>I think you’re not fully getting the intent as to why Harvard et al want a diverse student body. Hint: It’s not because Harvard believes that reparations should be made to children of slaves.</p>
<p>“Why is there no similar outcry about female applicants? Isn’t it the same essential issue? Too many women apply each year, the schools that can do so, reject women in greater numbers in order to maintain a balance.”</p>
<p>Totally. The 2014 Schuette/Michigan SCOTUS case upheld state constitutional bans on affirmative action preferences for state Us. While the focus was on racial preferences, those measures also ban gender preferences too. That probably has a bigger impact, espcially at state flagships that (unlike Michigan) don’t have a big male attracting engineering program. </p>
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<p>You must have looked at only the critical reading scores, which I agree are pretty close. In the 700-800 range of the math subsection, men outnumber women by a ratio approximately 2:1. Based on this, I find it implausible that the best math/science students are women (the ones who would be viable candidates for top schools). Perhaps someone could find a gender breakdown of the numbers of people who get 5’s on the various APs. Math/science isn’t everything, but it is basically half of the curriculum in high school.</p>
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<p>Again, the key phrase here is “on average”. The behavior at the mean is not the same as the behavior at the upper tail, and the latter is what’s relevant in the admissions pool at top schools. </p>
<p>For the record, I’m not wedded to the status quo and I don’t think that there should be a bias for boys over girls. Nor do I think it is fundamentally fair to bias according to race.</p>
<p>You better hope Harvard doesn’t else their ass is grass in the courts!</p>
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<p>Story of UNC.</p>
<p>It’s ok powtgrl, you don’t have to believe me. No harm no foul. I am just saying what I know. </p>
<p>“Why do you think the top schools like Harvard want to see your SAT/ACT scores and why it selects students with scores over 2100 SAT/ 32 ACT.”</p>
<p>Why do you think Harvard doesn’t accept every single 2400 (or 36) who comes its way, then every 2390, then every 2380, etc. until the class is full? They certainly could, you know.</p>
<p>We all know all sorts of things, User.</p>
<p>You are acting like most of us don’t have graduate and post doc work. Most of us do. </p>
<p>You weren’t talking to anybody who was a Harvard Adcom. But, enjoy yourself.</p>
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<p>Frankly, you are placing a much heavier burden on your son by over thinking this whole thing. As long as your finances permit, let the kid attend whichever school he wants to. He has to learn to swim with or against the tide to progress in life. What his classmates might think about how he got into a college is irrelevant. I suggest that if he gets a Cornell Engineering degree it says more about him than how he is perceived while going to college there.</p>
<p>Speaking of classics…</p>
<p><a href=“The Society of Fellows and Heyman Center for the Humanities | SOF/Heyman”>The Society of Fellows and Heyman Center for the Humanities | SOF/Heyman;
<p><a href=“Dan-el Padilla Peralta - Wikipedia”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan-el_Padilla_Peralta</a></p>
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