<p>xiggi, but will this lawsuit really end the dialogue? Both sides will continue to play the same game regardless of outcome. If the trend is to dismiss whatever statistics available, Asians will always suspect racial discrimination and rightly so.</p>
<p>poetgrl, I believe the filing explicitly states “Asian Americans”</p>
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<p>Zekesima, I’d be interested to see if you have any data similar to the CSMonitor study applied to a top 10 Law School. There are so many seats in Law School and so many law schools in general that I can see Asian enrollment staying the same if AA were eliminated at mid-tiered schools, </p>
<p>Zeke It would not bother me. In fact, one of the issues I have concerns Asian Americans who are similarly situated to other URM. These Asian students do not have the super high scores of some Asian counterparts, but who do well in school and tests, come from low SES, work multiple jobs to help their families etc that do not get an opportunity to go to such elite schools because there are already a lot of Asians attending in numbers greater than the general population. As long as these students are in the general level of academic achievement, it would be a welcome change to see these students get the invite to go to Harvard.</p>
<p>Do you think once Harvard and Yale have 50% Asians, since they are so qualified, that there will be impacted majors like at the UCs? How do impacted majors work, again? </p>
<p>poetgrl There could be, but if Harvard wanted to preserve the major diversity, it could be like Cornell and others which require an applicant to apply to a specific college/department within the University for admission. </p>
<p>poetgrl, “Do you think once Harvard and Yale have 50% Asians, since they are so qualified, that there will be impacted majors like at the UCs? How do impacted majors work, again?”</p>
<p>Way to perpetuate stereotypes. Asians major in everything. It’s like asking if gym, communications or African American studies would be impacted if more African Americans were admitted.</p>
<p>People of all racial groups are free to choose whatever major they want…the ability to graduate with those majors is a different story.</p>
<p>they only have less than 2000 seats. I wonder how they would manage the impacted majors? would the impacted majors require a higher sat and gpa?</p>
<p>@mavant. it’s too late to act indignant over stereotyping on this thread. But, yeah, go for it.</p>
<p>As I understand the UC impacted studies…it is more of a budget-limitation such that there is not enough money to recruit and keep the needed faculty to teach certain majors. Harvard would have no problems in this regard as money is less of an issue and recruiting qualified faculty has never been a problem.</p>
<p>@mavant , “people of all racial groups are free to choose whatever major they want”. Except when there is cultural and parental pressure to only go into a few.</p>
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<p>As far as I know, Harvard has never stated a 2400 suffices for admission. They seem to have said rather the opposite. They encourage applicants from all quarters. </p>
<p>Sure, some top-scoring kids are Asian. Some are not. The whole logic of the case seems to assume Harvard admits from the top test scores down. But as far as I can tell, Harvard doesn’t. To my eye, they admit from the bottom–whatever their lowest limit for GPA and test scores might be—up. </p>
<p>As the 75th percentile for SAT sections for Harvard is 800, I believe it’s impossible to prove that any candidate was deserving of admission on the basis of test scores. </p>
<p>So, if the majority of qualified students, and by qualified, I’m just going by the Mavant, VOR, USER matrix here, it would be SAT scores and GPA only, wanted STEM classes, should Harvard get rid of it’s useless faculty and make room for tech?</p>
<p>^@poetgrl…nailed it. </p>
<p>Yes. MIT, Caltech, HarvardTech, YaleTech, ad vomitum.</p>
<p>And good lord, get rid of those pesky Classics majors!</p>
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<p>Premeds know that they can major in any discipline…this circumvents the societal pressure to pursue medical careers. </p>
<p>Sheesh!! Do they even still have those classics majors?</p>
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<p>Do you have evidence to support this claim? Are they really applying in large number to elite schools? I know in the upper midwest, which has a large Hmong population, young people are not generally encouraged to go far away to college (or in some cases, go at all). You see a lot of these kids at the state schools in Minnesota and Wisconsin and even Iowa.</p>
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<p>We are 10 years away from AI writing all of our poetry. Then what?</p>
<p>Nobody cares about poetry anymore, except me and ten other people. </p>
<p>but, since I was offered this soapbox, let me add, nobody needs poetry more than those who think STEM is the only thing that really matters. Oppenheimer and Einstein would agree with me.</p>