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<p>Do you think if Asians said they wanted to major in philosophy they would be accepted? And, if so, how many Asians would say they wanted to major in philosophy and join the philosophy club in high school?</p>

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<p>Periwinkle, so what’s the harm for URMs if they don’t get into Harvard? Care to explain? Aren’t there other good schools that URMs can go to? Why is it Harvard or bust for URMs?</p>

<p>As for what I can prove, I don’t need to prove anything as this is not a court and I am not one of the parties to a litigation. You haven’t proved either that there is no cap. We are both BS’ing here lol so let’s not get uppity eh?</p>

<p>People take this forum like it is the realm of Judge Dredd. Seriously folks, chill. There’s a real lawsuit in progress and the chips will fall where they may.</p>

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<p>The harm would be to Harvard, actually, not to the URMs. </p>

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<p>Pizzagirl You need to take a few logic courses.
poetgrl Yes there are Asian philosophy majors, psychology, sociology, political science, Classics (this is for you GAMom) etc. Asians are like everyone else, have different interests, like different music etc. I am not sure why being a good student and doing well on SAT/ACT is frowned upon when others who do well are congratulated.</p>

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<p>Yes, I’m sure, but are they capped?</p>

<p>I think what they will find when and if they open the process is that this is what is going on, more than anything else.</p>

<p>of course, my speculation is as useful as anybody’s on this thread. at or near 0</p>

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<p>Hey dstark have you met any URMs from the Ivies? They have the same SES backgrounds as non-URMs, mate. lol these are not kids from the hoods, most of these are kids of immigrants from the likes Jamaica and Nigeria, with very well educated parents. You really think Harvard lets really disadvantaged kids in? They will flunk exams, mate, and Harvard doesn’t want that.</p>

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<p>I decided to have a conversation with cleverbot and pretend to be poetgirl.</p>

<p>User: Nobody cares about poetry anymore, except me and ten other people.</p>

<p>Cleverbot: Well my name is Cleverbot. I’m a writer. But my brain is tired and I need a story idea.</p>

<p>[New conversation]</p>

<p>Cleverbot: Nobody cares about poetry anymore, except me and ten other people.</p>

<p>Cleverbot (To myself): Your brain… Is it… Exstensive?</p>

<p>User: Nobody cares about poetry anymore, except me and ten other people.</p>

<p>Cleverbot: All too true in some circles. I know people that value me.</p>

<p>Cleverbot: What should I do?</p>

<p>Cleverbot (To myself): You do not have the capacity to be bored.</p>

<p>User: Nobody cares about poetry anymore.</p>

<p>Cleverbot: That is insulting.</p>

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<p>If I don’t like KFC, I go to Popeyes and give them my consumer dollars. Yeah, we can go on about taxpayer dollars…whatever. there are also a couple of churches that get non profit.status that I don’t agree with their mission or policies…they are taking away tax dollars, but I am not filing suit to change them.</p>

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<p>Did you really just say this, User? </p>

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<p>Mate?</p>

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<p>That’s your prerogative GAMom but this is the USA and anyone can file any suit they want. Individual rights and all that yeah?</p>

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<p>Yeah, what do I know. I am just a parent of a URM that isn’t from the hood and didn’t flunk tests…and I am not a well educated parent and am from the USA. Somehow my daughter made it through an elite school and now is in med school. I will however warn her about your thoughts and predictions. Since she is going into trauma surgery, I just hope she doesn’t have to operate to save your life someday…after all, she probably is not qualified.</p>

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<p>@Texaspg. That made my day. :)>- </p>

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<p>Sounds like they should have no problem doing easy Math at Harvard then.</p>

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<p>Harvard lets’s very few disadvantaged kids into the school. I think that hurts students at the school. </p>

<p>Harvard has said in the past that a student with 650 SAT scores can handle the classes. </p>

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<p>Harvard has about 10% Pell, the last time I checked. I think Xiggi addressed this earlier.</p>

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<p>Pizzagirl, Are you dismissing the 46% number? To me the 27% can include the C student who really had no chance to begin with but applied in jest. The 46% represents the percentage with the bare minimum academic credentials.</p>

<p>So 46% of the pool are Asian and year after year, the yield is only 17%? </p>

<p>To answer your question, when numbers reach the Berkeley-type balance in which Affirmative Action was eliminated. Short of that, there will always be suspicions of discriminatory practices.</p>

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<p>Poetgrl, let’s not have a blow by blow eh? Let’s move it to personal messages. Or not. That’s cool too hahha and probably better. I don’t like personal fights.</p>

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<p>actually scratch that. Harvard now has 19% Pell, which is excellent, nearly doubling since 2010</p>

<p><a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/economic-diversity-among-top-ranked-schools”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/economic-diversity-among-top-ranked-schools&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Mavant,
Why use the UC Berkeley # as the litmus test? Here are some others that could be used (courtesy of hawkeye’s post from several years ago:</p>

<p>According to the latest USNWR for colleges ranked in the Top 50 National Universities and colleges ranked in the LAC Top 25, here is how they compare:</p>

<p>% Asian , School</p>

<p>51% , UC Irvine
43% , UCSD
42% , UC Berkeley
41% , UC Davis
38% , Caltech
38% , UCLA
28% , U Washington
28% , Wellesley
26% , MIT
25% , Johns Hopkins
24% , Stanford
24% , Carnegie Mellon
22% , USC
21% , Harvey Mudd
19% , Duke
19% , Rice
19% , NYU
18% , Emory
17% , U Penn
17% , Northwestern
17% , U Texas
17% , Swarthmore
16% , Harvard
16% , Columbia
16% , Cornell
16% , Georgia Tech
16% , Case Western
16% , UC Santa Barbara
15% , Brown
14% , Princeton
14% , Yale
14% , Dartmouth
14% , Pomona
13% , U Chicago
13% , Wash U
13% , U Illinois
13% , Bowdoin
13% , Claremont McK
12% , U Michigan
12% , Tufts
12% , Amherst
12% , Smith
12% , Bryn Mawr
11% , U Virginia
11% , Williams
11% , Haverford
11% , Wesleyan
10% , Boston Coll
10% , U Rochester
10% , Rensselaer
10% , Carleton
10% , Vassar
9% , Georgetown
9% , Brandeis
9% , Macalester
8% , U Florida
8% , Middlebury
8% , Oberlin
8% , Colby
7% , Vanderbilt
7% , Notre Dame
7% , U North Carolina
7% , W&M
7% , Grinnell
7% , US Military Acad
7% , Hamilton
6% , Lehigh
6% , U Wisconsin
6% , Colgate
6% , Bates
5% , Wake Forest
5% , Penn State
5% , Tulane
4% , W&L
4% , US Naval Acad
3% , Davidson
0% , Yeshiva </p>

<p>A good # of these school also have no AA policies. Why are Berkeley’s high Asian #s the only ones you consider legitimate? (After all, they may be especially high b/c of the high Asian population in the SF Bay area.)</p>