<p>"Right, "appeal to [dubious] authority" ends all arguments. Let's just ignore the numbers.
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<p>you son of a bitc.h. apologize for that.</p>
<p>Thank you for defending me RocketDA, but no need to worry. I have gone through much worse insults :-).</p>
<p>For those viewing this phallus-measuring contest as pointless: </p>
<p>WHITE CHOCOLATE CHEESECAKE WITH FRESH
RASPBERRY SAUCE </p>
<p>2 lbs. cream cheese, softened
1 tsp. vanilla
1 c. sugar
4 eggs, separated
8 oz. white chocolate, melted</p>
<p>Beat egg whites until stiff peaks form. Set aside. To softened cream cheese, add sugar, vanilla and egg yolks. Mix thoroughly, until all sugar is incorporated. Add melted white chocolate and combine. Gently fold in beaten egg whites, until blended.</p>
<p>Pour into a greased springform pan. Bake at 250 degrees using a water bath (set cheesecake into a larger pan, pour hot water half way up the side of cheesecake). Bake 1 hour. Test with toothpick, if it comes out clean, take it out, center may still move. Cool completely and refrigerate.</p>
<p>RASPBERRY SAUCE:</p>
<p>1 c. sugar
1 pt. fresh raspberries, strained of seeds</p>
<p>Mix together and let sugar dissolve thoroughly.</p>
<p>To Serve: Place cheesecake on a pretty plate, ladle sauce around cheesecake.</p>
<p>This is a marvelous, rich dessert that everyone raves about.</p>
<p>Hmm. Interesting. Any tips on how to make a low-calorie version? I will be at Mudd over the summer and am looking to cook something in those kitchens...</p>
<p>Seiken, best post yet.</p>
<p>i was thinking about making this with a white/dark chocolate swirl...and tiyusufaly was going to help me make it over the summer...since it is only one week 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<p>Yes! Cannot wait! Only thing standing in the way are these three final exams...which I have not studied for. But you all know how that goes ;).</p>
<p>Im still 5 weeks away from and am dealing with midterms. Honestly, quarter system sucks and whoever says otherwise is a social retard. Its nice dealin with shorter classes in some cases, but its nothing worth the months of isolation when all of your back-home friends to go college and leave you with high-schoolers.</p>
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while federal funding pays for a lot of what goes on, all of it is done through caltech. caltech must be flipping some bills here as jpl is noted as a caltech-run facility.
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<p>You're really grasping at straws here. The JPL budget is separate (and three times larger than) the Caltech budget. The Institute manages JPL under a "cost-reimbursable" contract with NASA, which is exactly what it sounds like, and Caltech actually takes in money from NASA by being granted an additional "management allowance." Further, the Caltech on-campus dining service (which loses money) is heavily subsidized by being lumped together with the much larger JPL dining service (which makes money).</p>
<p>Note that JPL, with 5200 employees plus a number of contractors, is much larger than the rest of Caltech (which has 2553 employees plus ~2000 students). Caltech's budget is $600 million a year; JPL's is $1.6 billion. If JPL actually cost Caltech money it would quickly swamp the rest of the budget.</p>
<p>RE: Post 61, what are you so upset about, Rocket? "X must be wrong because Y says so, and Y is a good guy/really smart/I've known him forever" is a classic logical fallacy: argumentum ad verecundiam, the appeal to authority.</p>
<p>I'm not sure why pointing that out garnered such an offensive and vituperative response.</p>
<p>RocketDA never said you or your arguments were wrong because of what I posted.
He said that you should stop flamebaiting because of what I posted. His intent was
not to debate any points of yours - he didn't want to argue with you, and he was
trying to tell you to stop. And frankly, you should. You have dragged this out FAR
too long, and you have yet to realize that there is a point when enough is enough.
I speak for more than a few people on this thread when I say you make Caltech look
very bad. Which is a shame, since it is a great school, and I would not want any
potential Techer applicants to be dissuaded by your conduct on this board. So please
do just leave, because, though I suspect you are completely unaware of it, you are
harming your school's image with every post and additional battle you pick.</p>
<p>Respectfully, tiysusufaly, I'm not sure that I agree with you. If potential Techers are dissuaded by arguments based on evidence and logic, should they really be attending a scientific institution?</p>
<p>Hello lizzardfire, good to see you again. Allow me to clarify: in my opinion,
and that of other regular posters on the HMC forum, itt is not Joe's arguments
based on evidence and logic that dissuade people (I think the Mudders and
Seiken have provided a fair bit of that as well). It is the fact that he never seems
to stop arguing, and is pushing on and on for argument and debate over every
little thing, and trying to find something to argue about whenver he can.</p>
<p>Hey, at least I'm not swearing up a blue streak! (cf. #61) I argue "clean", I argue with facts, and I don't lose my temper. Vigourous debates on the facts are a part of many Caltech classes, so I don't think many potential Techers who would actually enjoy or appreciate Caltech would be too dissuaded.</p>
<p>I post only to correct incorrect things you guys say about Caltech. If they don't happen, I don't post.</p>
<p>"Harvey Mudd has great financial aid" I'd never criticize. "Harvey Mudd has financial aid as good as Caltech's" I will vigourously correct.</p>
<p>"Harvey Mudd uses their endowment wisely" I'd never criticize. "Harvey Mudd uses their endowment more wisely than Caltech" I will dispute and "Caltech undergraduate students mostly don't benefit from the endowment" I will vigourously correct.</p>
<p>"Harvey Mudd produces a lot of students who go on for PhDs" I'd never criticize. "Harvey Mudd produces the most [i.e. more than Caltech] students who go on for PhDs" I will vigourously correct. </p>
<p>Et cetera.</p>
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It is not Joe's arguments based on evidence and logic that dissuade people (I think the Mudders and Seiken have provided a fair bit of that as well).
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<p>Much of what I've read has been mostly guesswork ("Caltech is all about the grad students") or simply incorrect ("JPL must cost Caltech money... just because!"). Very little is backed up.</p>
<p>In any case, I shall happily leave if you simply leave Caltech out of your Harvey Mudd boosting, or if you must include it, do so in a truthful and accurate way.</p>
<p>Tiyusufaly- some might view that as tenacity. This is especially true considering Caltech was placed in a negative light by Mudders in this thread without any prompting.</p>
<p>1) No one said Harvey Mudd had financial aid as good as Caltech's. No one.
You felt erroneously that we did. You bought that point up. The only thing
that might be remotely close was that a poster said at the beginning of a
thread that it varies depending on the person. That in no way, shape or form
suggests that Harvey Mudd financial aid is on average as good as Caltech's.
Not myself, not rocketDA, not seiken, not atomicfusion, not any Mudder or
Mudd supporter on this board said it that explicitly, as you are suggesting.</p>
<p>2) As RocketDA and myself have explained, we never said that Caltech under-
-grads do not benefit from the endowment. We admit they do.</p>
<p>3) The PhD statistic error was accepted by Mudders a long time ago. We acknowledged our mistake.</p>
<p>Basically, we do not want to pick a fight with you. You are looking for any
little excuse to argue.</p>
<p>And lizzardfire, I apologize if LabRat made Caltech look bad. But he acknowledged it was his opinion, and gave his anecdotes. We had a nice
chat and discussion, and straightened out the confusion. Then you and the
rest of the Techers did not seek to discuss or debate anymore the issue.
For this I and the rest of the folks on this forum are appreciative. But Joe is
relentlessly trying to find something to argue with Mudders about. This 'tenacity' merely comes off as irritating to most.</p>
<p>All right. I'm happy to leave if it looks like these things are settled. Your three statements are very much appreciated, although I'm not sure the rest of the Harvey Mudd folks on this forum would agree with you, unfortunately. (By the way, although I've posted more frequently, I don't think I've said anything different than any of the other Caltech posters.)</p>
<p>Bye for now, folks--hope I don't have to come back. Off to the Caltech forum...</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
<p>Actually, I do agree largely with Tiyusufaly.</p>
<p>This thread has made me glad that my son chose Mudd over CalTech.</p>
<p>yay mudd! :-D</p>