Hazing Scandal

<p>mhmm, part of me agrees with you, my small business hires a lot of college kids over the summer and their lack of personal responsibility is sometimes shocking. I don’t think that Dartmouth has adapted to the fact that incoming students need more basic life education than ever before. The internet generation has grown up with the ability to view and say shocking and offensive things over the anonymity of the internet and they lack a basic understanding of community and social morality. </p>

<p>That said, it is easy to forget that other generations lacked some common sense as well. The world was a less sensitive place back in the day. I have heard stories from the 60’s when Dartmouth’s 4 year residential dorms would raid each other and kidnap members of other dorms. They would tie them to construction sites overnight or leave them in farmland 20 miles from Hanover. Imagine if that happened today? When New York had an 18 year old drinking age, they would drive to upstate NY, drink and drive drunk all the way back to Hanover. </p>

<p>In fact, here is a hazing video from 1967 (NOT Dartmouth). Right out in the open. Can you even imagine if this happened on the lawn of a fraternity house today? I wonder what the guys in this video would say about their experience now. </p>

<p>[Hell</a> Weekend! - YouTube](<a href=“Hell Weekend! - YouTube”>Hell Weekend! - YouTube)</p>

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<p>If it were just one guy or just one incident I would agree that it’s a ridiculous claim. But this is hardly an isolated incident of Dartmouth frat misbehavior.</p>

<p>Remember when Rick Perry recently made the unfortunate choice of giving a post-GOP presidential debate speech at a Dartmouth frat? The press had a field day with that one.
[Rick</a> Perry?s Frat Outing: Why?d He Choose to Speak at a Dartmouth Fraternity? - The Daily Beast](<a href=“Rick Perry’s Frat Outing: Why’d He Choose to Speak at a Dartmouth Fraternity?”>Rick Perry’s Frat Outing: Why’d He Choose to Speak at a Dartmouth Fraternity?)</p>

<p>Excerpt:</p>

<p>“Dating back to 1991, the Dartmouth Beta fraternity has been kicked off campus, reprimanded, and condemned frequently in the student newspaper, which ultimately argued for the frat’s permanent removal from campus in 1996. The group has been involved in “abducting and tormenting” a member of another fraternity, suspended for hazing, and publicly shamed for calling another frat member a “chink ■■■■■■” during a scuffle. After the latest of those incidents, The Dartmouth student newspaper published an editorial arguing that Beta had “warped notions of brotherhood” and that the fraternity had “no place in the Dartmouth community.” The administration agreed, deactivating the fraternity for the foreseeable future.</p>

<p>But a group of alumni convinced Dartmouth’s administration to let the fraternity back on campus in 2007….”</p>

<p>No, unfortunately there is ample evidence that Dartmouth’s frats have been a continuing blight on the campus for long, long time:.</p>

<p>[TheDartmouth.com:</a> Hanover Police search Alpha Delta fraternity house](<a href=“http://thedartmouth.com/2006/06/10/news/hanover]TheDartmouth.com:”>http://thedartmouth.com/2006/06/10/news/hanover)
[TheDartmouth.com:</a> Addressing Sexual Assault in Frats](<a href=“http://thedartmouth.com/2007/02/23/opinion/addressing]TheDartmouth.com:”>http://thedartmouth.com/2007/02/23/opinion/addressing)
[TheDartmouth.com:</a> Frat pleads guilty to misdemeanors](<a href=“http://thedartmouth.com/2005/09/26/news/frat]TheDartmouth.com:”>http://thedartmouth.com/2005/09/26/news/frat)
[TheDartmouth.com:</a> Theta Delt, Tri-Delt placed on probation](<a href=“http://thedartmouth.com/2005/03/04/news/theta]TheDartmouth.com:”>http://thedartmouth.com/2005/03/04/news/theta)
[TheDartmouth.com:</a> YouTube video depicts Zete ‘hazing’](<a href=“http://thedartmouth.com/2007/02/13/news/youtube]TheDartmouth.com:”>http://thedartmouth.com/2007/02/13/news/youtube)
[TheDartmouth.com:</a> Kappa accused of hazing incidents](<a href=“http://thedartmouth.com/2003/01/28/news/kappa]TheDartmouth.com:”>http://thedartmouth.com/2003/01/28/news/kappa)
[TheDartmouth.com:</a> Three arrested on felony charges](<a href=“http://thedartmouth.com/2010/05/21/news/arrests]TheDartmouth.com:”>http://thedartmouth.com/2010/05/21/news/arrests)
[TheDartmouth.com:</a> Past fraternities returned without conflict](<a href=“http://thedartmouth.com/2008/01/25/news/beta]TheDartmouth.com:”>http://thedartmouth.com/2008/01/25/news/beta)
[TheDartmouth.com:</a> Probation hits six Greek houses](<a href=“http://thedartmouth.com/2006/10/05/news/probation]TheDartmouth.com:”>http://thedartmouth.com/2006/10/05/news/probation)
[TheDartmouth.com:</a> ORL sits on Heorot’s review decision](<a href=“http://thedartmouth.com/2001/05/18/news/orl]TheDartmouth.com:”>http://thedartmouth.com/2001/05/18/news/orl)
[TheDartmouth.com:</a> Police arrest 11 Kappa members Monday](<a href=“http://thedartmouth.com/2006/10/11/news/police]TheDartmouth.com:”>http://thedartmouth.com/2006/10/11/news/police)
[TheDartmouth.com:</a> Senior injured in fraternity prank](<a href=“http://thedartmouth.com/2003/05/27/news/senior]TheDartmouth.com:”>http://thedartmouth.com/2003/05/27/news/senior)
<a href=“http://thedartmouth.com/2006/10/05/news/probationhttp://thedartmouth.com/2004/01/30/news/greek[/url]”>http://thedartmouth.com/2006/10/05/news/probationhttp://thedartmouth.com/2004/01/30/news/greek&lt;/a&gt;
[TheDartmouth.com:</a> Beta alumni address fraternity’s past actions](<a href=“http://thedartmouth.com/2008/02/01/news/beta]TheDartmouth.com:”>http://thedartmouth.com/2008/02/01/news/beta)
[TheDartmouth.com:</a> College places 4 frats on 2-week probation](<a href=“http://thedartmouth.com/2004/09/24/news/college]TheDartmouth.com:”>http://thedartmouth.com/2004/09/24/news/college)
[TheDartmouth.com:</a> College puts GDX on social probation for rest of year](<a href=“http://thedartmouth.com/2004/01/23/news/college]TheDartmouth.com:”>http://thedartmouth.com/2004/01/23/news/college)
[TheDartmouth.com:</a> Zete derecognized in wake of ‘sex papers’](<a href=“http://thedartmouth.com/2001/05/14/news/zete]TheDartmouth.com:”>http://thedartmouth.com/2001/05/14/news/zete)
[TheDartmouth.com:</a> Psi U faces social probation](<a href=“http://thedartmouth.com/2001/03/29/news/psi]TheDartmouth.com:”>http://thedartmouth.com/2001/03/29/news/psi)</p>

<p>I could go on, but you get the picture.</p>

<p>FWIW, my kid, who belongs to a fraternity, thinks D would be better off without a Greek scene.</p>

<p>Coureur:</p>

<p>That some members of some fraternities have misbehaved over the decades does not mean that all frats are a “blight on the campus,” any more than questionable practices by sororities, club sports teams or a capella groups make them a “blight.”</p>

<p>^^I defy you to come up with even one collection of clubs, club sports teams, or a capella groups at Dartmouth whose record of misbehavior comes even remotely close to the list in post #43 (and keep in mind that list is by no means complete).</p>

<p>Coureur, I give up. You must be right. Despite not having gone to Dartmouth and having no first hand knowledge of what goes on, you must know more than the thousands of Dartmouth greek alumni. 18 articles over an 11 year period. Over that time Dartmouth would have graduated about 7,500 greek alumni. Believe me, those 7,500 are functional members of society now. </p>

<p>Obviously, the greek scene attracts the people who like to party more than those who do not like to party. With that is likely to come some brushes with trouble. That doesn’t mean that the greeks are a bunch of wild lawless hooligans bent on destroying civilized society. They are just college students. Work hard, play hard. My pledge class of 16 includes 4 lawyers, 3 doctors, 2 environmental biologists, 1 elected official, 1 college professor, 2 software engineers, 1 small business owner, 1 hedge fund manager and one guy who made so much money that he retired before the age of 30. We are married (6 to Dartmouth women), we have kids, we are successful in the world. We have our own reunions, we talk about the dumb things we did years ago and how much fun we had. </p>

<p>Most of the articles you posted are about keg violations or underage drinking. In case you were not aware, college students like to drink, they like to cut loose, they like to misbehave from time to time. This is true at every college in the world. Maybe Dartmouth students like to drink more, but I don’t think so. Thankfully for Dartmouth, students mostly like to drink beer, as opposed to so many other colleges where they drink more hard alcohol in rooms and off campus apartments. One of the great things about drinking at Dartmouth is how social it is. Fraternities are open to anybody and everybody all the time, affiliated or not (even though some students don’t realize that). 60%+ of the Dartmouth student body is greek. Virtually 100% of the social scene on weekends is in the greek houses. With that will naturally come most of the “trouble”. Eliminate the greek system and you think Dartmouth students will stop drinking? You think nobody will ever get in trouble for anything ever again? That is silly. </p>

<p>I know that I’m not going to convince you of anything and frankly, I’m a little bit embarrassed to have hijacked this thread into a personal argument between the two of us. But for those parents and prospective students out there who are on this site to consider Dartmouth, I hope you will not be swayed by Coureur’s negativity. Dartmouth is a wonderful place. All college’s have flaws, but by-and-large, Dartmouth gives you a great education, both inside and outside of the classroom. You graduate prepared for the rigors of the world and ready to face the next chapter in your life. Dartmouth has one of the most supportive and active group of alumni in the country, which I hope would tell you that most people who graduate from Dartmouth loved the experience. Coureur would like Dartmouth to be something else, he is in the minority. The vast majority of Dartmouth graduates love Dartmouth.</p>

<p>BTW, I was on campus when Beta was derecognized and I can’t say that I blame the administration for that decision. The system needs to discipline those who get out of control and they were out of control. Although it could be argued that doing away with the Football team would have done more good than doing away with Beta because when Beta closed, the football team moved on to Gamma Delt and had similar problems. The current Beta, which Rick Perry visited, is a FAR cry from the old Beta.</p>

<p>^^The thing we agree on is that Dartmouth is a great school. The difference is that I know it could be even better. You apparently cannot conceive of a Dartmouth that’s any better than or even different from what we have today.</p>

<p>Dart alum,</p>

<p>I was tending toward your side until your last post. You should really know better based on all those valuable life lessons learned as a pledge!</p>

<p>where did I lose you doonerak? I should have stopped while I was ahead, but the ability to walk away from an argument has never been a strength of mine. coureur got under my skin.</p>

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<p>[Letters</a> | Dartmouth Alumni Magazine](<a href=“http://dartmouthalumnimagazine.com/letters-17/]Letters”>http://dartmouthalumnimagazine.com/letters-17/)</p>

<p>Rolling Stone dropped a bombshell about this hazing scandal. Worth a read. Making me re-think some things…</p>

<p>[Confessions</a> of an Ivy League Frat Boy: Inside Dartmouth’s Hazing Abuses | Culture News | Rolling Stone](<a href=“http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/confessions-of-an-ivy-league-frat-boy-inside-dartmouths-hazing-abuses-20120328]Confessions”>Dartmouth’s Hazing Abuses: Confessions of an Ivy League Frat Boy – Rolling Stone)</p>

<p>A bombshell? Not even a cherry bomb … It’s little more than a profile piece on Lohse that rehashes his allegations. Is there any critical examination of the evidence? Is there even any description of what evidence there might be? Oh, gosh, news flash … Dartmouth students drink a lot. The article touches on some serious points – sexual assault among them – but, as far as the hazing scandal/flap/brouhaha (choose your word) is concerned, I see nothing to this article. As a profile piece, I’d give it a B/B+ since it’s not badly written. If it was submitted in Journalism 101 as a piece of investigative reporting, I’d give it a C-/D+ since there’s nothing of substance. If it was meant as an account of what has happened, meh … it adds nothing to what was already out there.</p>

<p>According to those in the know, binge drinking is flourishing at Williams, Amherst, Middlebury, and Bowdoin.</p>

<p>Agreed, during a alumni club meeting in Washington DC recently, President Kim was asked about binge drinking by an alum whose daughter was applying to Dartmouth. Kim immediately quoted a study that Dartmouth had taken part in that showed binge drinking figures at Dartmouth were almost identical to other universities. His point wasn’t that binge drinking is not a threat or that it shouldn’t be addressed, but that this is a national problem, not just a Dartmouth problem.</p>

<p>DartAlum:</p>

<p>It’s good to hear Jim Kim gave such a sensible, accurate answer at the recent DC event.</p>

<p>Too bad Kim hurt Dartmouth’s reputation – and his own-- by giving Lohse’s uncorroborated claims so much attention.</p>

<p>Excellent response by Lucy Pollard '10 to the Rolling Stone article: [TheDartmouth.com:</a> Pollard: Muckracking for a Buck](<a href=“http://thedartmouth.com/2012/03/30/opinion/pollard]TheDartmouth.com:”>http://thedartmouth.com/2012/03/30/opinion/pollard)</p>

<p>All individual charges dropped. [TheDartmouth.com:</a> UJAO drops all 27 SAE hazing charges](<a href=“http://thedartmouth.com/2012/03/30/news/sae]TheDartmouth.com:”>http://thedartmouth.com/2012/03/30/news/sae)</p>

<p>good. iwas never nothing more than a witch hunt predicated on “evidence” provided by an accuser with a large axe to grind.</p>

<p>This is my frat member’s opinion:</p>

<p>“Whether you agree with the way Lohse made his allegations and his motivations for doing so, these are problems that need to be addressed. I would say that coverage of this sort will bring the changes we need here, but sadly it seems like the reaction so far on campus is exactly what the article predicts: sticking together in an attitude of rationalization and denial in the spirit of preserving Dartmouth’s good name. You guys should see Bored at Baker (our gossip site) right now; it’s really going wild. People are picking Lohse apart with all sorts of vindictive comments about his SAT score or his supposed success with women, and rationalizing away the claims he and others make about hazing on campus.”</p>

<p>Yes, B@B is savaging Lohse right now, justifiably so. The freshman trips thing really killed him. Even staunch anti-greek people read that and thought it was crazy. </p>

<p>Right now it is in the administration’s hands. There will never be a better time for them to start a campus wide dialog about hazing and high risk behavior within the greek system. If they don’t take that opportunity, it will be a real shame. I would love it if they would require all freshman who wish to rush the following fall to attend a series of lectures on these kinds of subjects. Education and awareness is what Dartmouth needs right now and the administration has an unprecedented opportunity to launch programming initiatives while they have a captive audience.</p>