HBCU Tour

<p>I know that HBCU's aren't "popular" on CC, but that's the direction D and her BFF are heading, so we went on a 1400 mile, four-state, seven-college tour in the last two weeks and are home now. There's so little about the individual HBCU's on CC that I thought I'd do a wrap up, with an offer to share more if anyone asks. We had to do it in the middle of summer due to D's crazy schedule, but we did see some that are in session. It was a great trip and we all learned a lot, and D has a favorite now-which was actually a throwaway stop originally. So here's the quick and dirty:</p>

<p>Spelman: campus so pretty it should be a movie set. It's walled off from the city, has security guard stations at both entrances and call boxes every few feet. I exudes safety, calm and perfection. Admissions people are generally knowledgeable, but one question D had stumped the lady we spoke to, even though we later found the answer on an inner page on the website. Tour guide was an honor student, knew everything about every building. Professes to love the food and her honors dorm-mentioned that there is no air conditioning for freshmen. And it's HOT there. I can't imagine. She loves the school, feels she has amazing opportunities. There's an air of "We're here to make your amazingness even more amazing. If you're not amazing, maybe you don't belong here." D loved it. I'm sure it IS amazing, but I felt out of place there.</p>

<p>Clark Atlanta: Larger campus, more typical student body. No presentation, but the honor student guide was full of information. Raved about the school, the food, the students. Turned down Spelman for being too cliquish. Took us in to meet the honors director, who gave students pointers on majors, honors, admissions. Students at Spelman, CA and Morehouse can all take classes at any of the three, plus I think a couple of others. No extra charge. It's a regular thing The students we saw seemed happy to be there, even in sweltering heat.</p>

<p>Fisk: Very small, intentionally so. They admit only 11% of applicants. They hold the students to high expectations, but offer plenty of support. Our guide, another honor student, is from the Pacific NW and is Hispanic. She feels right at home at Fisk, and like those at the other school, loves everything about her school. It's compact and everyone knows everyone, but is not gated. Not a great neighborhood, but strangers sure stand out there. It's got a bit of talented tenth feel to it, but in a more friendly way than Spelman. Belongs to a consortium with Vanderbilt. TSU and a couple of others. The former admissions director, now promoted, spoke to the kids for 30 minutes and gave D a blueprint for getting in on a full ride, in her major and where she could continue to take her Japanese classes.It's high on her list-she's decided she likes small schools.</p>

<p>Tennessee State: Too big, too much for D. The people we spoke to were very nice and helpful, though there were no tours. We were introduced to a grad student on her second career, who was from Seattle and graduated from the UW. She said as great as her education was there, TSU is where she feels most at home, that being a black person from Seattle it was great to finally be in the majority. She said she did not find the education to be lacking, even compared to UW.</p>

<p>North Carolina A &T: Huge, Div. 1 school with 11,000 students. Also is a state school, so it has solid financial backing. The grounds and buildings are well kept, though it's way to big to be fenced off. The city bus system has at least two stops going right through campus-it's that big. Maps everywhere. There's a new, state of the art gym, free classes in yoga, etc., plus a pool in another building and a second gym. The cafeteria is also quite new and looks like a food court at a high-end mall. Lots of options. The tour included some 50 people so we missed some of the info. But NCAT has a great rep-Fortune 500 companies recruit heavily here, especially for engineers and health fields. It produces a good percentage of the black engineers out there. Tour guide was, wait for it, an honor student. She's in education and said all of her profs were good, accessible and that the size of the college doesn't mean you're in huge classes. I would have gone here in a heartbeat-D thought it was too huge-there were whole sections she'd never even see. </p>

<p>Bennett: Like NCAT, students from Bennett helped start the lunch counter sit-in movement. At both, that history is preserved and valued. Bennett is a very small women's college not many people seem to know about. It belongs to a consortium with A & T and others in Greensboro. One of the admissions people spoke privately with D and her friend, as she believes kids and parents don't always have the same views and questions. She promised to research a question for us once the director returnsand gave her contact info to D to get her in touch with the college/career counselor at D's HS. This campus is small and another typical center green with buildings surrounding it, but the lawn isn't golf course perfect. Ladies do not walk on the grass though, as "there are no shortcuts to life". The president at Bennett is very involved with the student body-she hosts "Scandal" viewing parties and tweets to the girls regularly. The school offers a free van into town, the mall, etc., but it's also got a bus stop right next to campus.</p>

<p>Last was Benedict, a small, religious HBCU in Columbia, SC. At about 2100 students, it's still small enough that everyone seemed to know everyone. Our last-minute replacement tour guide is a grad student who sought out and introduced us to a recent grad in D's major, the head of her department, the head of the freshmen retention program in her department (there is one for every major, and frosh are required to meet regularly with these people), the head of recruitment and the president of the college. Every one of them dropped what they were doing to speak at length to us. While Benedict has a very low bar to get in, they work hard with students to keep them there, and because of the retention program, there are fewer parent surprises like we see here on CC about kids suddenly dropping out or admitting that they're failing late in the semester. The education department chair told D exactly what to do to get her dual enrollment, how to end up with lined up a graduation, and about all the changes she's making to the department to make it even more respected. It's a school an early entrant or a young student, or one who wants a more directed environment would feel at home-there is no visiting in dorm rooms of the opposite sex, the retention people to check on you, and there's a dress code. Religion, a big part of D's life, is supported here-she can even continue her praise dancing, or try for a spot in the gospel choir, with a small scholarship if she makes it. The school is in a nice neighborhood and like the others, near a bus stop, and is part of a consortium.</p>

<p>It's obvious which one D has at the top of her list, but we realize she's still young. But she never did waiver from liking the smaller schools and I will say that we felt most welcome there. I never even SAW the president of my college-some of them here sit and have popcorn with them in pajama party type gatherings. </p>

<p>Hope this helps someone!</p>

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<p>This is fantastic, @sseamom‌!</p>

<p>Don’t hear much about HBCU’s on CC. </p>

<p>Great observations! Well written summary. Have you thought of copying the post to <a href=“African-American Students - College Confidential Forums”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/african-american-students/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>I’m sure readers there will love yours and your daughter’s perspectives.</p>

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<p>Probably because there is an unstated preference among many students that the college’s plurality or majority racial/ethnic group should be one’s own or white, so most non-black students would not consider an HBU, even with a full ride (some are listed in <a href=“http://automaticfulltuition.yolasite.com/”>http://automaticfulltuition.yolasite.com/&lt;/a&gt; and <a href=“Competitive Full Tuition / Full Ride Scholarships - #46 by ucbalumnus - Financial Aid and Scholarships - College Confidential Forums”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/financial-aid-scholarships/1461983-competitive-full-tuition-full-ride-scholarships-p4.html&lt;/a&gt; ).</p>

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Our local HBCU, West Virginia State University, opened as West Virginia Colored Institute in 1891. In 1955, after Brown vs. Board of Education it admitted its first white students (it was West Virginia State College by then.) It’s now predominantly a commuter campus and it’s one of three HBCUs that now enroll mostly non-AA students; however, most of those who live on campus and participate in what is considered traditional college life are AA except for a smattering of white athletes.</p>

<p>Sseamom- that sounds like a fun tour with your D, and although she is still young to decide, it was a great opportunity for her to see some possible colleges. Your D is a few years from applying, and colleges also change over the years, so no doubt you are keeping an eye on that as well.</p>

<p>Since the smaller colleges appealed to your D, I wondered if you considered Claflin? I don’t know much about it but it seems like a close knit college community.</p>

<p>T26E4-I’ll do that, though that forum doesn’t get as much traffic. Ucb-there were several white families on the NCAT tour, as well as a teen doing her own college research. She is independent and has to finance her own education so had a careful list of places where she could get the financing she needs. We also saw white students at every college we visited, along with some Hispanics. Our tour guide at Fisk was Hispanic and Japanese. Penny-Claflin is one she looked at on paper and talked to at a college fair. She wanted bigger city surrounding her college. She plans on attending as a duel-enrollment HS senior/college freshman. All of the colleges in question offer this and a former student at her HS has done it. So not as much time as it seems before she heads out, if all goes according to plan.</p>

<p>That would make sense as it is in a smaller town. Sounds like your D is very focused- she’ll do well!</p>

<p>This was a really interesting post, sseamom. Thanks!
I hope your daughter continues to find colleges that feel right to her – nice to have choices.
Looking forward to hearing more about her college search
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<p>Very informative post. Just curious as to why Howard University in DC wasn’t on your D’s list? Was it too big? </p>

<p>Daughter of close family friends graduated from Spellman a few years ago. She loved it and had a job lined up well before graduation. She also took advantage of a domestic college exchange program that allowed her to go to Stanford for a semester.</p>

<p>Bromfield-I grew up in the northeast and have a trip back there due soon-D and I will detour and visit Howard and Hampton, though she thinks Howard will be too big. She has a schoolmate starting there in the fall and is already pumping him for information. Penny-you have no idea. From the time she was a toddler, she has set goals and plows though anything in her way. </p>

<p>That’s the kind of student who will do well anywhere, so finding a good fit college will only help. I think that when she walks on a campus and says “this is it, Mom” she’s going to be right. </p>

<p>I always felt that a good student would do well most anywhere, but I too got the sense of “this fits” and “this doesn’t” when visiting colleges, and it’s interesting how that happens. It’s good that you have brought some attention to the HBCU’s on CC. I don’t know much about them, but I think they can be great opportunities for students. I also think, like every college, each one is different and has its own “fit” for a student so very important to visit. College climates also vary by region and interest of students. I would expect a college in South Carolina to be different from a college like Howard, in a major city and political area. </p>

<p>Glad you enjoyed your tours Sseamom!! As you might remember I LOVE, LOVE LOVE NC A& T!!! As the mom of an alum I still miss visiting there and eating in the cafeteria, Best.Chicken.Ever.</p>

<p>The engineering school is fantastic and the support son received while he was matriculated and now that he has graduated in still eye-opening. He was offered a great job (on the other side of the country) and as a mech e is doing what he really loves. If he has any questions he still calls his profs or emails them and they respond so quickly. He can compare his knowledge vs. other employees and based on his last 2 promotions he has found it to be not lacking in any way (graduated last May). Through some other contacts from the school he is also working from some others in so cal (hollywood) on some special projects that he is just thrilled with.</p>

<p>For son’s classes, the class size never was above 20 students so for him the school felt much smaller. With over 177 majors and masters and phD programs the population is spread over the campus without it feeling cramped. So have your daughter keep that in mind as she goes through her choices. And with the financial backing of the UNC system finances will not be an issue, as it can be at some of the other HBCU’s.</p>

<p>And to any others gathering info from this thread NC A&T is not just great for engineering but especially for the Life and Ag sciences as well. The animal sciences students from A&T have a huge farm for their research and the opportunities for vet school similiar to NC State (where the vet school is located.) Unlike NCSU where your bio/animal/chem science classes are HUGE (as in hundreds of students per class) NC A&T sizes are soooo much smaller. Both offer the animal science major with the animal science industry major as well, but when you need LORs for vet school A&T profs will know you by name and will recognize you around campus, same is true for those who are pre-med and pre-dental. </p>

<p>For those who are familiar with applying to med, vet or dental school the uni you attend isn’t as important as your GPA, MCAT, LORs, ECs, ability to shadow and to have access to a great mentor. At A&T you will not be lost in a sea of pre-meds, but rather you will get to know your profs and research can be done as early as your freshman year.</p>

<p>Again glad your daughter was able to visit so many great schools and it sounds like she has the start of a great app list!!!</p>

<p>Kat</p>

<p>Sseamon, your post brought back memories of another adventurous Puget Sound youngster many years ago who similarly explored the possibilities of enrolling at an HBCU. Well done.</p>

<p>A few notes: Don’t overlook NC Central. Again, not a fabulous neighborhood, but a very solid liberal arts education with some professional studies thrown in. Smaller and thus more intimate than A&T. I’m very familiar with A&T, Morehouse and Spelman. Visited A&T homecoming a few years back with relatives. Spelman and Morehouse? Meh. Too many New Yorkers, LOL.</p>

<p>Tennessee State. Hmm. Being Oprah’s alma mater hasn’t helped the place much.
Fisk; I have a very warm spot in my heart for Fisk, the alma mater of the great W.E.B. DuBois, not to mention Fisk’s role in the 1960s civil rights movement. But I hope that Fisk has finally shed it’s image as a the “high flalutin,” ‘brown paper bag test’ school.</p>

<p>Finally, give some thought to Prairie View A&M in the heart of Texas. I know a supersmart youngster from the Great Pacific Northwest who spent four very happy hears at PV and has now completed a STEM graduate degree at a fine well-known Midwestern institution.</p>

<p>Lake-thanks for the input. We spoke to a rep from Prairie View last year and it looks good on paper. I’ll mention it and NCC to my daughter. My H had the same concerns about Fisk, to be honest. The paper bag test didn’t seem to still be in effect, but it is certainly academically selective. </p>

<p>Yes, the brown paper bag test at Fisk was notorious folklore for generations. Sad but true. The AKA sorority had the same image. Happily, AKA has obviously abandoned that nonsense. The major complaint about Fisk, though I have not heard anyone speak of it in years, is that females dislike Fisk because there (were?) are relatively few males among the student body. A Seattle woman I know left the campus after her first year, never to return, because of the gender imbalance. But that was years ago. Be advised that more than a few folks believe that the situation (color consciousness, or “color-struck,” as the oldtimers say) remains that way today in Atlanta, generally speaking.</p>

<p>“females dislike Fisk because there (were?) are relatively few males among the student body.”</p>

<p>This imbalance is an issue at lots of HBCUs (and many PWIs). It may be especially noticeable when the student body is tiny, but the ratio is heavily female almost everywhere.</p>

<p>Perhaps Hanna. But the imbalance at Fisk back in the day essentially made it a woman’s college! Studentsreview.com reports that Fisk is less than 39% male today. That would be a significant improvement over the figures from 20 years ago.</p>

<p><a href=“Fisk University Overview | CollegeData”>http://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/college/college_pg01_tmpl.jhtml?schoolId=1205&lt;/a&gt; says that Fisk has 391 (65.8%) female students and 203 (34.2%) male students.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/college/college_pg01_tmpl.jhtml?schoolId=1520”>http://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/college/college_pg01_tmpl.jhtml?schoolId=1520&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>North Carolina A&T State University
Greensboro, NC</p>

<p>Undergraduate Students 9,206
Women 4,929 (53.5%)
Men 4,277 (46.5%)</p>

<p>Graduate Students 1,675</p>

<p>Kat</p>