HBS at #2

[scottj19x89]

<p>Wharton, Stanford, and Harvard are top 3 imo… I know most associate Wharton with the #3 spot and S/H with 1 or 2, but I just can’t lump it outside of those two. Wharton seems uber-awesome</p>

<p>and those are just for prestige… I’m sure the top few MBAs will benefit the student pretty much the same not counting the prestige/alumni factor.</p>

[BedHead]

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“But I’ll account that hype may trump substance…”</p>

<p>Possibly due to the fact that Berkeley doesn’t rank first in any of the engineering fields while Stanford is #1 for EE.

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<p>You’re joking, right? But if you’re parsing it, Stanford is also 1 in mechanical.</p>

<p>Biomed: Berkeley 8, Stanford 12<br>
Chemical: Berkeley 3, Stanford 7<br>
Civil: Berkeley 2, Stanford 3<br>
Electrical: Berkeley: 4, Stanford 1<br>
Industrial: Berkeley 2, Stanford 7<br>
Materials: Berkeley 4, Stanford 6<br>
Mechanical: Berkeley 3, Stanford 1</p>

<p>Ha ha. Makes total sense: Berkeley rates below the ranking of 5 in one field. And Stanford ranks below 5 in four fields, and out of the top ten in 1. I mean, if you are going to parse it.</p>

<p>Anyway, hype can indeed trump substance.</p>

[engineerbill]

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Berkeley engineering is good, but it’s not MIT/Stanford. Berkeley is a solid #3, though it’s a closer to UIUC/Georgia Tech than to MIT/Stanford, just as how Wharton is closer to Booth than to Harvard/Stanford. The fact that you like Berkeley doesn’t make it the very best of the very best.

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<p>Ivybear, you are wrong this time. UC Berkeley is right up there with MIT/Stanford in Engineering</p>

[IvyPBear]

<p>Perhaps I was influenced by the perceptions of students around me when I was in college, as bigbirdfly said. The truth is (like what I’ve always said), at this level, how you do at your school matters more than where you go. Though there are differences. For instance, the median undergraduate GPAs for HBS and Stanford are 3.67 and 3.66, and the median GMAT are 719 and 726 respectively, while Wharton’s are 3.5 and 718. Wharton’s numbers are much closer to Sloan’s, Booth’s, Tuck’s, and Haas’ than to HBS’s and Stanford’s. Anyway, since people on this board seem to like inclusiveness…</p>

<p>College: HYPSM
Medical school: Harvard, Johns Hopkins, and UCSF
Law school: YHS
Business school: HBS, Stanford GSB, and Wharton
Engineering school: MIT, Stanford, and Berkeley</p>

[liu02bhs]

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For instance, the median undergraduate GPAs for HBS and Stanford are 3.67 and 3.66, and the median GMAT are 719 and 726 respectively, while Wharton’s are 3.5 and 718. Wharton’s numbers are much closer to Sloan’s, Booth’s, Tuck’s, and Haas’ than to HBS’s and Stanford’s.

GPA and GMAT doesn’t mean much for bschool admissions. AdCom routinely reject high GPA/GMAT applicants over lower ones with better experience and more potential. </p>

<p>Plus, this topic isn’t about law or med rankings, it’s about bschool rankings. For bschool, there are various ranking methodology, and so-called “top 10” is kinda hard to distinguish, since there are about 13-14 school in the running for “top 10”.</p>

[IvyPBear]

<p>“GPA and GMAT doesn’t mean much for bschool admissions. AdCom routinely reject high GPA/GMAT applicants over lower ones with better experience and more potential.”</p>

<p>There’s no reason to believe that Wharton makes up for its numbers with students who have more impressive experiences than ones at HBS/Stanford. And, it’s not because they are special or anything; HBS and Stanford just randomly happen to have students with numbers a notch above the rest.</p>

[RML]

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RML, I am sorry, but since when does a school having the most number of applicants indicate that it is the best school?

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<p>onecircuit, you have a poor reading comprehension. Since when did I say that > number of applicants and yield rates = best school. What I said was it does not matter if USNews would rank HBS number 2 or number 3 or number 10 or even number 100. HBS is a very established business school and is number one in most people’s list, including those most qualified MBA aspirants/applicants.</p>

[RML]

<p>

College: HYP
Medical school: Harvard and Johns Hopkins
Law school: YHS
Business school: HBS and Stanford GSB
Engineering school: MIT and Stanford

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<p>College: HYPSM
Medical school: Harvard, Johns Hopkins, UCSF, Yale
Law school: YHS
Business school: HBS, Stanford GSB, Wharton
Engineering school: MIT, Stanford, Berkeley, Caltech
Sciences: Stanford, Harvard, Princeton, Caltech, Berkeley, MIT</p>

[liu02bhs]

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There’s no reason to believe that Wharton makes up for its numbers with students who have more impressive experiences than ones at HBS/Stanford. And, it’s not because they are special or anything; HBS and Stanford just randomly happen to have students with numbers a notch above the rest.

You are making an error in logic. I didn’t say W is better than GSB and HBS. In fact, my previous post, I agreed with W being lesser than GSB and HBS.</p>

<p>I’m simply saying unlike Law and Medicine, stats doesn’t mean as much for business school. Case and point: UCLA average GMAT - 711, MIT average GMAT - 708.</p>

[RML]

<p>“I’m simply saying unlike Law and Medicine, stats doesn’t mean as much for business school. Case and point: UCLA average GMAT - 711, MIT average GMAT - 708.”</p>

<p>What exactly are you saying?</p>

[datalook]

<p>1) Electrical engineering
S-rank: Stanford 1-3, MIT 6-18, Berkeley 7-26
R-rank: Stanford 1-1, MIT 7-15, Berkeley 6-15</p>

<p>2) COMPUTER SCIENCE
S-RANK: STANFORD 1-2, MIT 2-12, BERKELEY 3-16
R-RANK: STANFORD 1-2, MIT 2-5, BERKELEY 3-6</p>

<p>3) MECHANICAL ENGINEERING
S-RANK: STANFORD 1-5, MIT 5-14, BERKELEY 5-16
R-RANK: STANFORD 2-4, MIT 1-2, BERKELEY 1-3</p>

<p>4) AEROSPACE ENGINEERING
S-RANK: STANFORD 2-3, MIT 7-16, BERKELEY na
R-RANK: STANFORD 1-1, MIT 2-5, BERKELEY NA</p>

<p>5) CHEMICAL ENGINEERING
S-RANK: STANFORD 5-19, MIT 3-8, BERKELEY 2-5
R-RANK: STANFORD 6-13, MIT 1-4, BERKELEY 2-5</p>

<p>6) MATERIAL ENGINEERING
S-RANK: STANFORD 3-18, MIT 3-12, BERKELEY 3-11
R-RANK: STANFORD 5-10, MIT 2-3, BERKELEY 6-11</p>

<p>7) CIVIL ENGINEERING
S-RANK: STANFORD 4-21, MIT 7-39, BERKELEY 3-16
R-RANK: STANFORD 4-14, MIT 2-7, BERKELEY 1-3</p>

<p>8) BIOMEDICAL ENGINEERING
S-RANK: STANFORD NA, MIT 3-18, BERKELEY 1-6
R-RANK: STANFORD NA, MIT 1-5, BERKELEY 2-8</p>

<p>9)OPERATIONS RESEARCH AND INDUSTRIAL ENGINEERING
S-RANK: STANFORD 1-4, MIT 1-2, BERKELEY 5-12
R-RANK: STANFORD 1-1, MIT 7-34, BERKELEY 3-9</p>

<p>SO THESE 3 SCHOOLS ARE COMPARABLE.</p>