Help! Double majoring in English and Drama/Theatre

<p>Hi :) </p>

<p>I've posted a few different threads here before over the past few months and all the responses I've gotten have been absolutely great! All of you who contribute to this forum are not only helpful but also quite nice people :) </p>

<p>So I have another question and I was wondering if someone here could help me answer it. As I've mentioned on one or two of my previous threads - I love drama, always have and I think I always will. Drama has been a huge part of my life growing up with a Theatre director as a mother and a TV producer as a grandfather. I am a US citizen who grew up in Europe and I've always dreamed about studying in the US. I have been admitted to a few schools in London but I've decided to take a gap year to prepare for my US applications ( like getting the ACT done, auditions etc). Whilst I've always loved to perform, I've also always loved to write as well as analyze literature. Recently I've decided that I have to go to a more broad based program as I would also love to do directing and playwriting and I always intended on doing a minor in English. However, now I'm really starting to reconsider my plans. I'm starting to think that perhaps I should put more emphasis on literature than just minor in it as I would not only be very happy (and deem my life as being successful) if I turned out to be a writer of some sort but I'm also thinking that English Lit is perhaps a far more steady and less risky degree that could perhaps open more doors (in terms of job opportunities) than a theatre degree. So I've recently been think very seriously about doing a double major in Theatre and English Literature and I was wondering if the schools I'm applying to would allow me to do this :</p>

<p>Brown (BA)
Northwestern (BA)
Boston University (BFA - I'll most likely end up doing the theatre studies track)
Fordham (BA with a Performance track)
Syracuse (BFA)
Rutgers (BFA and BA as a back-up)
Loyola Marymount (BA) </p>

<p>I was also wondering how long would a double major take to complete? I've heard 4 years from some people and 5 years from others. </p>

<p>I would also like to ask any of you who are willing to answer - perhaps from personal experience and after reading what I've written, do you think I should drop the theatre altogether? perhaps go for a minor in theatre? Would I have a successful chance of being involved in theatre in life with just a minor? Are theatre minors allowed to audition for main stage productions at school?</p>

<p>Any answers and responses are very much appreciated!! :D</p>

<p>The only one of those schools that I’m familiar with is Northwestern. You should have no trouble double majoring in Theatre and English in 4 years, as long as you plan your courses well.</p>

<p>At Boston University, you cannot do the BFA and double major. If you chose Theatre Arts, you could minor in English, I believe.</p>

<p>Boston University has a theatre minor, but I don’t know too much about it. It is my understanding that minors are in the casting pool and may audition for School of Theatre productions (BFA students have guaranteed casting). </p>

<p>BU has a lot of extracurricular theatre also. I don’t know to what extent theatre minors might or might not be involved in it.</p>

<p>Thanks for both of your replies :slight_smile: </p>

<p>I did some research since I created the thread and I saw on the BU website, unless I misunderstood, that it would be possible to earn a Bachelor of fine arts degree and Bachelor of arts degree through the school of fine arts and the school of arts and sciences :</p>

<p>" Earn a bachelor of fine arts degree or a bachelor of music degree and a bachelor of arts degree simultaneously through the CFA/CAS Double Degree Program. This five-year program allows you to earn dual degrees in the major of your choice in both the College of Fine Arts and the College of Arts & Sciences. It is open to freshmen applying for September admission only. "</p>

<p>Am I misunderstanding this? Has this changed in the recent years?</p>

<p>Also thanks for the info on the minor :)</p>

<p>Also, throwing out another question, do you all think that a degree in theatre is well respected in today’s society??</p>

<p>Many years ago, I double-majored in English and Theatre at Smith College. It wasn’t at all difficult, and in fact some courses could do for both; I could imagine doing a senior thesis that worked for both, too. That said, it wasn’t a BFA in Theatre, and I’m sure that makes a difference. If you’re asking what your options might be with such a double major–well, I could have gone into a PhD program for either one, but I chose English. </p>

<p>At Smith, anyone could audition for a play (in fact, anyone could audition at any of the 5-college consortium schools (Hampshire, UMass/Amherst, Amherst, and Holyoke): you need not be a theatre major. Many people were very active in theatre without majoring, or even minoring. My work-study program was working in the costume shop, and I got that because I could sew and had experience with costume, not because of my major.</p>

<p>Some high school students may believe that after-college careers depend on a particular major, but in the liberal and fine arts, outside of careers in academia, that is not really true. In fact, for careers in theatre, no degree is mandatory. It’s really more about your audition or portfolio, talent, looks, experience, and connections. Outside of acting, directing, production jobs, a broad array of Liberal Arts majors can suit a student very well. So your question of whether majoring in English, for example, is more valuable than majoring in Theatre is very hard to answer. There is probably about as much market for an English undergrad degree as there is for one in Theatre–meaning, alas, both do not lead directly into certain specific high paying jobs without a bit of luck and determination and hard work.</p>

<p>That said, you sound like you may best be served getting a BA degree, so you have the flexibility of changing your major as you see which courses really suit you. In your freshman year at many of the schools you list, you will have a broad GE requirement, so you’ll get time to figure out where you fit for a major.</p>

<p>I wish you the best of luck! Many schools do not require an audition for their BA, although some do so you’ll need to check it out. Most schools make it easy to transfer majors or add minors or second majors too. </p>

<p>But no employer is apt to say, ah, here’s a wonderful candidate with great internships, experience, and recommendations—with a theatre degree from a highly regarded school—wish it she had been an English major! LOL.</p>

<p>I wish you good luck, as I was a double major (Theatre/English) myself!</p>

<p>It may well be possible to complete a double major in Theatre and something else in five years at BU. I’ve never heard of it, but I am not a student there…just the parent of one. Probably it wouldn’t be too easy, because rehearsals take up a lot of time for School of Theatre students.</p>

<p>I’d contact the School of Theatre to check on this, if I were you.</p>

<p>I would not say that a degree in theatre is particularly well respected in society at large. But if it is what you really want to do, I can’t see what difference that would make.</p>

<p>Madbean is right about after-college careers not necessarily depending on a specific major.</p>

<p>As for theater majors vs. other majors, I will stick my neck out to say that, for the most part, what interests potential employers and graduate schools (the latter, provided you have fulfilled any coursework prerequisites) is not what your major was but that you had the organization, perseverance, and work ethic to pull through and complete the requirements for your degree. Whether it’s a BFA, BA, BM or BS is less important than the fact that you saw through the details of completing the degree. To a lesser extent, your GPA is going to be important. My oldest daughter graduated from a top LAC (with a good GPA); a number of her friends with relative low GPAs (below 3.0) ended up with very good jobs or in good graduate school programs. In a number of cases it was their commitment and dedication to extracurricular activities (and contacts made through these activities) that paved the way for them (in addition to completing that degree.)</p>

<p>My S is a sophomore double major at Fordham in Theatre performance and playwriting and is very happy there. I have written a number of lengthy posts on Fordham in this forum which you may want to search or you can feel free to send me a PM with any specific questions you may have.</p>

<p>Fordham does have a very large core curriculum and while it looks like my S will be able to graduate in 4 years, he took 2 classes this summer which will help make that possible. He seriously considered majoring in English as well and has really enjoyed his classes in that department. An English/Theatre performance major can absolutely graduate in 4 years at Fordham but it still requires some careful planning and may also depend on your foreign language placement. My S’s scheduling is a little more complicated bc there is only 1 section offered in playwriting but his academic advisor has been wonderful and has recommended classes that count for more than one core requirement.</p>

<p>As a Fordham Theatre minor, you ARE able to participate in mainstage productions and there is no audition required so that is something else to consider if you are really certain that you don’t want to pursue the major. Yes, you can still be involved in Theatre but I think you might want to consider auditioning for the major and seeing how it all plays out. My S struggled with some of the same questions that you have. Even after he got to school he wavered back and forth about dropping performance and going with English and playwriting or keeping performance and just taking playwriting classes to satisfy some English requirements or even just taking English and graduating in 3 years. He ultimately decided that pursuing the double major in performance and playwriting, which was the most difficult path he considered, would be worth the effort. So far so good…his first play will be staged later this month!</p>

<p>You are asking all the right questions so hopefully come enrollment time, you will find yourself with a variety of options! Good luck! :)</p>

<p>Thank you all very very much for all this great info! I’ve really looked into those 7 schools I’m applying to and I think it would be possible to do a double major at all of them. The only one I’m not completely sure about is Rutgers but I did read on their admissions website that you’re able to combine any two programs and basically do what you really want to do (in addition to the GE requirements). One of the examples they gave was Dance and a science and so I’m assuming theatre and english should be possible. I’m gonna go ahead and apply to both the BA and BFA there and just see what happens! If I do get accepted to either one, then I’ll definitely call the school and find out specific info about double majoring.</p>

<p>Thank you so much for all the Fordham info, sandkmom! Fordham is one of my favorite programs and so knowing that a double major is possible really makes me happy! I’m actually gonna go down to NY in the next two weeks and I think I’m gonna stop by and see the campus. I’m glad everything worked out for your S in the end! :slight_smile: </p>

<p>I’m so happy this forum exists! Having all of you answer these questions is really, really helpful! :)</p>

<p>Any more answers regarding this topic are very much appreciated :)</p>

<p>sandkmom, I’m interested to know your son is double-majoring in theater and playwriting at Fordham. My daughter is particularly interested in Fordham for this reason (and wrote to ask if it is is possible to both audition for theater and interview as a playwright, to which they responded affirmatively, saying it was possible, but rare to major in both.) Although she sees herself as an actor foremost, playwriting is extremely important to her. We’re going up for a tour and info session later this fall, but I will pick your brain now, if that is okay.</p>

<p>You wrote: My S’s scheduling is a little more complicated bc there is only 1 section offered in playwriting but his academic advisor has been wonderful and has recommended classes that count for more than one core requirement.</p>

<p>Am I correct in inferring that this means there is only one playwriting workshop section offered per semester? What constitutes the major, in terms of courses? Is there only one section offered each semester for all majors? I’m trying to get an understanding of the program. I teach in a writing program in which many sections are offered in different genres (and often multiple sections of certain genres) simultaneously, but it’s a fairly large school (tragically, playwriting is rarely taught, although there are plenty of screenwriting courses). So in the scenario I’m familiar with, a student taking a workshop each semester will tend not to be in the same group of classmates. Of course you will run in to the same people once in a while, but there are always fresh faces. I’m curious how large the playwriting workshops are, and if it is the same group of students semester after semester. </p>

<p>Thanks!</p>

<p>@JME1992</p>

<p>PM me if you will be in NY Oct 20-22 and would like free tickets to my S’s show. While I am sure he will be surrounded by friends and family following the performances, if you wait a few minutes I am also sure he’d be happy to talk to you about the school and the programs that you are interested in.</p>

<p>@glassharmonica</p>

<p>Yes, it is very rare for someone to double in performance and playwriting and we were told this as well. My S is the only one from his class and I believe that there is one upperclassmen as well. And in the end, the opportunities in this program are one of the main reasons why he chose Fordham.</p>

<p>The playwriting major begins 2nd semester of freshman year and coursework can be completed in 6 semesters. I think that auditioning AND interviewing was a tremendous benefit to my S bc he got to meet with Matthew Maguire, head of the Theatre department. FYI, he was slightly disappointed when he was later told that he was being admitted as a performance major bc of the difficulties in choosing these two tracks with scheduling and that they would discuss his interest in pursuing both during the course of his 1st semester at Fordham. I think that there ARE difficulties with the schedule, and the playwriting is a real mentoring program with only a handful of majors to begin with, so I also think that they want to weed out candidates that are not driven enough to succeed in both. The performance major begins 1st semester and my S had Matthew for either his Acting or Collaboration class and by October he had been asked to submit additional writing and was told almost immediately that he was accepted for playwriting as well. Then, Matthew and the playwriting majors took him out to a “welcome” dinner!</p>

<p>To answer your questions, yes, there is only one section for playwriting classes each semester and it is the same days/times…something like Mon & Wed 12:30-2. So, you need to build a schedule around playwriting. Then there are only two sections of performance classes and the various labs that go with them. Almost all of the Theatre majors have an academic advisor in the Theatre department and Matthew Maguire is my S’s. His guidance has been fantastic and really makes it possible to do both bc he has put my S in different lab sections to make it all work. He has also recommended core courses that count for two requirements cutting down the actual number of classes my S will need to take. And then the First year Dean preregistered him for classes to make sure he got what he needed.</p>

<p>As for seeing the same faces, semester after semester…yes, all the playwriting majors are together in this class but there are only around 5 of them! The rest of the class is made up of other students who are taking it as an elective or to possibly satisfy an English major requirement. And none of the classes at Fordham LC are large. My S took a core Philosophy course this summer that had about 25 students and he said that was the largest class he had at Fordham. </p>

<p>What my S likes most about Fordham’s playwriting program is that the work is actually staged which he tells me is very rare for an undergraduate program. The first semester, the playwriting major writes a One Act and at the end of the semester, there is a reading. Then, my S’s was selected for production which is actually a semester ahead of schedule! Very exciting, except, again scheduling difficulties bc he is low man on the totem pole and producing his show in the assigned weekend meant he could not audition to be in one this semester! Also, he wrote the lead for himself (of course!) but was not allowed to cast himself bc they want him to see the process through as a playwright and not a performer. At first, he was disappointed but now after living through casting and rewrite after rewrite, he understands that focusing on his performance as well would take away from that process. By the way, they hired a professional director for this but the design and production team and the performers are Fordham students. I also want to mention that faculty and guests are outstanding in both the playwriting and performance sections. </p>

<p>So, like I said, it’s complicated and he puts more time into the playwriting work than he does in any other class in spite of the fact that it only meets twice a week! Then throw the performance requirements and the core curriculum requirements on top of that and you have a very busy kid. He does still have some free time for fun but it is somewhat scheduled bc he is very disciplined about his work in all his courses.</p>

<p>If you want to talk to him when you come for the Fall open house, feel free to PM me and I can put you in touch. I’m sure that you have already reviewed the training and curriculum at Fordham but here it is again. </p>

<p>[Playwriting</a> Major](<a href=“http://www.fordham.edu/academics/programs_at_fordham_/theatre_department/prospective_students/training__curriculum/playwriting_major_69140.asp]Playwriting”>http://www.fordham.edu/academics/programs_at_fordham_/theatre_department/prospective_students/training__curriculum/playwriting_major_69140.asp)</p>

<p>[Performance</a> Major](<a href=“http://www.fordham.edu/academics/programs_at_fordham_/theatre_department/prospective_students/training__curriculum/performance_major_69138.asp]Performance”>http://www.fordham.edu/academics/programs_at_fordham_/theatre_department/prospective_students/training__curriculum/performance_major_69138.asp)</p>

<p>It’s hard to know what that really means though until you live through it and I can only give you a secondhand account! But I wish you and your D the best of luck! :)</p>

<p>Sandkmom, thanks for writing such a detailed answer. I am grateful for all the detail and will share it with my daughter. I am sure she would love to meet your son. We are coming to an event on November 18-- info session, tour and (I think) a production. It sounds as though they have very similar interests. I’m impressed to know that the work of the playwrights is staged (one good reason to keep the number down!) My daughter is currently enjoying the experience of a play she wrote being produced by a young playwrights organization who paired her with a dramaturg and professional director (the actors are from one of the theater arts programs in our city.) There are pluses and minuses in having a small core writing group. One is that after a while you begin to know one another’s work so well that the group becomes insular. But, because it’s college program, there will always be at least a 25% yearly turnover, with graduation and new freshmen. If the group is supportive and works well together, a small group can be an asset. We’re very excited to see inside of Fordham (we’ve walked past it a hundred times because her sister is a musician at a conservatory a few blocks away.)</p>

<p>Sandkmom, congratulations on your son’s play being chosen for production so early on at Fordham!</p>

<p>And Glassharmonica, congrats to your daughter on her recognition for recent endeavors. :)</p>

<p>It is exciting to see more people posting about their kids’ interest in (and achievements in) both acting and playwriting.</p>

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<p>glassharmonica, this described my D when she was applying/auditioning several years ago. Her writing was, and continues to be, an important part of the person she is. She had her first play published when she was still in high school, after winning a drama festival competition involving 400 high schools. She wanted the opportunity in college to study and continue her writing, and was fortunate to be able to do so. Since graduating, she has worked continuously in positions that allow for her to do both, first in the U.S. with a renowned regional theatre and for the past few years in the UK. It’s the best of both worlds in her mind! :slight_smile: </p>

<p>It’s important, in my opinion, to encourage kids who have the passion for writing to find a spot in college that allows for them to develop their skills. Performers are a dime a dozen, this is not the case with playwrights. And without continued development of new material, the theatre community would be in trouble. There’s a similar discussion in the MT forum about students producing new shows and writing musicals, providing performance opportunities for themselves and their friends. Many theatre kids do this while in college. My D was involved with a group of professionals and students while in college, writing and performing new material, and they spent one summer during her college years with this group in the UK performing their show. The contacts made that summer lead to her current position. </p>

<p>I think it’s important for all theatre kids to choose a program that allows for and encourages student written and student produced shows but for this small subsection of theatre kids who also love to write, it’s even more important. The best of luck to your D in her journey!</p>

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<p>This is true, to a degree, of any variation on the formula:</p>

<p>Acting + Another theatre-related discipline</p>

<p>My son, who is a student in a BFA program, is a dance minor. He also likes lighting design and has developed some abilities in that area.</p>

<p>Faculty members at his school have told him that these things will help a great deal to make him professionally employable after graduation.</p>

<p>In addition, he plays a couple of musical instruments, and this has led to his being cast on more than one occasion when he otherwise would not have been.</p>

<p>What an impressive group of kids we have here on CC! Congrats to all for pursuing their passions and making it all work! :)</p>