Help Me Put Together A Transfer List

<p>Even though this has to do with the transfering, given the focus of the thread, I thought this forum may be a better choice...</p>

<p>I go to Case Western Reserve University, and went there because with the debatable exceptions of Babson and the "Canadian Ivies", it was probably the best college I got accepted to. Now that I'm here, I don't have a burning hatred of it and would be unable to tolerate this school for the next four years. But, at the same time, I've come to realize that it is certainly lacking in a number of areas. </p>

<p>First, I've found Jewish life here to be disappointing in a major way. That is, while I'm not religious, and that isn't what I'm seeking from it, I've found that there are very few Jews here, and even fewer willing to identify themselves as such. The few that are seem, at best, apathetic to their Jewish identity, and at worst, have a sense of self-loathing based on it. And, quite frankly, this school is far from being Jew friendly, to the point where one of my friends, who is himself religious, fears for his physical safety when wearing a kippah, and others have had to drop classes in the Religion and Ethnic Studies department, because on teacher actively discriminates against Jewish students. The few outlets are pretty poor too. JSG, Jewish Students Group, almost never meets, and when it does, nothing really happens. They just try and sell us shirts. Hillel does very little other than offer a conservative minyan on Shabbat. And AEPi, at least here, has about as much to do with Jewish life, and knows as much about Judaism, as the Muslim Students Association.</p>

<p>The other major concern is my major. I applied here as a business major, though after thinking about it in the months before coming here, I decided that Political Science would be the better major for the same ultimate career. The problem is that we have a very mediocre Political Science department. Most of the school's resources go to engineering, natural sciences, business, and nursing. The social sciences are just not very strong here.</p>

<p>Relative to stats, mine are fairly low. I came here with a 3.5 GPA (very slightly weighted, don't know unweighted) and a low (around 1950) SAT, with SAT II scores ranging from 660 (though I got a 5 on the corresponding AP test) to 720. I had a total SAT II score of 2060/2400. Naturally, I could retake these if need be. As far as college GPA goes, I expect between a 3.8 and a 4.0 for my first semester, with the following classes:</p>

<p>FSCC100 - SAGES: Life of the Mind
POSC109 - American Government
BIOL225 - Evolution
HSTY289 - Chinese Martial Legend
ANTH319 - Statistical Analysis in the Social Sciences</p>

<p>For reference, typically anything beyond the 300s is graduate level.</p>

<p>High school classes were split. Half were at a well-regarded private religious school in Boston, and the other half were at one of the better Michigan public schools, where I took the heaviest load possible, including half APs junior year (had to meet a few non-AP requirements to do more) and all APs senior year.</p>

<p>Outside of class, my main activity is writing for the school paper, though I am also a member of JSG, and at least for a few more days, still technically an AEPi pledge. Also, I have an officer position for a freethought group on campus, and am planning to eventually get involved in the Peer Helpers Network later on this year. I am also working to create a campus ZOA chapter, which I would presumably be the president of.</p>

<p>I can get very strong recommendations from current teachers, high school teachers, or other individuals as the need may be. And, as far as the essay goes, I believe I can do a solid job there too. So with that in mind, I am hoping that somebody can suggest schools that:</p>

<ul>
<li>Have a strong political science department, and possibly a similarly good economics department.</li>
<li>Have a decent sized (>10%) Jewish population.</li>
</ul>

<p>Three things that aren't required, but would be great are:</p>

<ul>
<li>A SAMMY (Sigma Alpha Mu) or AEPi (Alpha Epsilon Pi) chapter, ideally the former. If neither is present, then it should either be a system open to the creation of new Greek organizations, or should not exist at all.</li>
<li>A fairly open curriculum, that allows for a good deal of freedom in course selection outside of the major's specific requirements (like Brown).</li>
<li>Politically moderate. Though Jewish, I am libertarian in nature, and thus want neither a fundamentalist religious school, nor an oppressively liberal one.</li>
</ul>

<p>Money and location are not issues. Neither is size, though between 2,000 and 10,000 undergrads would be nice. Also, I'm more disposed to either LAC or LAC-style colleges, but I'm very flexible on that point.</p>

<p>So far, Claremont Mckenna is my top choice. I'd thought about Chicago, but their extensive core means that many transfer students require an additional quarter or two, which as somebody not getting financial aid, would be less than desirable. As far as other colleges that might meet some of my requirements, I've been considering Brown, Cornell, Emory, and possible LSE in the UK, though I realize they are somewhat of a reach.</p>

<p>Brandeis, maybe?</p>

<p>I had considered it, but knowing many people there, I hear that most social activity revolves around Jewishness, which I don't want, and that it is decidedly hostile to conservatives in the same way Brown is.</p>

<p>Any more suggestions? Or, for that matter, any suggestions on my rough list:</p>

<p>Top:
Claremont Mckenna (top choice)
Cornell
Washington University (St. Louis)</p>

<p>Secondary:
Brown
Carnegie Mellon
Emory
Johns Hopkins
NYU
Tufts</p>

<p>Third:
Amerherst
Haverford
Rice
Washington and Lee</p>

<p>Last Choices:
Northwestern
Swarthmore</p>

<p>Had looked at, and decided against:
Brandeis
Colgate
Duke
Sarah Lawrence
Wake Forest
Vassar</p>

<p>Do you have any safeties? Those are all very competitive schools...</p>

<p>I don't. And therein lies one of the major problems. I can't think of any good safeties, and would appreciate some suggestions in that area especially.</p>

<p>BU sounds like a good choice for you despite the fact that I'm trying to transfer out :/
The only thing is, Sammy isnt recognized (theyre kinda lame here too) and AE Pi is close to getting kicked out (They just had a pretty bad incident--police, blood, kicked out of housing, etc.). Other than that, there's a ton of Jews (myself included) and you'll never have to worry about discrimination.</p>

<p>If you like Claremont McKenna, Occidental could be a good low match/safety. Especially for political science.</p>

<p>Look at the University of Rochester. It has a very strong political science department, and I believe it has a Sammy house.</p>

<p>university of maryland</p>

<p>How about George Washington U? I also agree that BU, U Maryland College Park, Rochester, and Occidental seem like possible choices. How about Binghamton?</p>

<p>BO5T0N, BU is a decent suggestion. 15% Jewish, in a great area, and the Political Science department seems to have th breadth in courses I desire. But how broad are the general education requirements? And could you elaborate on the recent trouble AEPi ran into there?</p>

<p>world changer, Occidental is less than 7% Jewish. Other than that, it seems like it might be worth exploring, as their political science offerings are nice, as is the LAC environment, and reasonably urban environment. Thanks for the suggestion.</p>

<p>bagoshells, thanks for suggesting UR. I hadn't heard much about it, but after your suggestion, I looked into it. On paper, it looks exceptionally good. But I did find that student comments were uncommonly negative, which is a little concerning.</p>

<p>Sweatpants and Onemom, I'm a bit too much of an elitist to go to a state school (yes, I said it), so UMCP and Binghamton are out. As per GWU, it might be decent, but I visited the campus and didn't like it all that much. Plus, the way the administration there handled the YAF was sickening. The few people I know that go there aren't particularly impressed with it.</p>

<p>Thanks for all the suggestions so far. Anybody have any others to add?</p>

<p>You may want to look at this thread from the parents forum.
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=409408%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=409408&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>So I spent a fair bit of time the past day or two browsing the websites of the colleges I've been looking at, writing down both positives and negatives for every school. From that, I intend to pick between six and eight to apply to.</p>

<p>I've now definitely ruled out:
Boston University
Brandeis
Carnegie Mellon
Colgate
Duke
Haverford
Northwestern University
Occidental
Sarah Lawrence
Swarthmore
Vassar
University of Chicago
Wake Forest
Washington and Lee</p>

<p>Definitely on the Final List:
Claremont Mckenna
Cornell
U Penn
Washington Univeristy (St. Louis)</p>

<p>Still trying to find another 2-4 from:
Amherst
Brown
Emory
Johns Hopkins
NYU
Rice
Tufts
U Rochester
Wesleyan</p>

<p>Are there any I should be reconsidering from either of the "definite" lists? Which 2-4 should I add to the final list? Are there others I should still be considering before I make up a final list?</p>

<p>Of the undecided bunch, Brown is quite tempting, but the odds are too poor to be worthwhile. Beyond that, there aren't any that strike me as "must apply" schools. I like Rochester and Wesleyan alot, but I don't really want to toss out the others, because they all are quite good. I'm very torn over which to add.</p>

<p>I don't think you have much chance at Penn or Brown.</p>

<p>Wesleyan might be too liberal for you.</p>

<p>Rochester and NYU are within reach. Does CMC have 10% Jewish studentbody? Consider George Washington Univ., Union College, Tulane, and Oberlin. Union College may be the best match. My honest opinion is that almost every school on your list is a significant reach. I do not want to discourage you, but you need to add some realistic options such as the ones noted in this post. Many students fail to realize that transfer admissions to elite schools is often more difficult than freshmen admissions. The most successful transfers come from two year community colleges and have a diversity hook, such as race or economics. In your type of case, a much higher GPA would be necessary to show that the SAT I was not a true measure of your ability. Regardless, you may be a perfect fit for Union College.</p>

<p>Tufts, definitely.</p>

<p>gprime, why'd you rule out BU?</p>

<p>MomofWildChild, you're probably right about Penn and Brown. As per Brown, that seems the least likely, since they only take 3% of transfer students (based on data from a couple of years ago), to the point where it probably won't make my final list. I realize Penn is also a stretch, but the PPE major is just too incredible for me to not at least try. And, it is a third Jewish, which would be nice. </p>

<p>greenblue, that is probably true. I am a little concerned about that, but I don't want politics to prevent me from considering an otherwise appealing school. Short of a UC Irvine type climate, I can make do with it if I have to, though it certainly does count as a strike against the school.</p>

<p>icy, CMC is exactly 10% Jewish according to Hillel, as is the consortium as a whole. I'm not too keen on GW, but I'll look more closely at Tulane, Oberlin, and Union. Thanks for the suggestions.</p>

<p>BO5T0N, I really am not a big fan of the universitiy's size. I also came across claims of grade deflation being widespread, which for a school of such little academic strength, doesn't appeal. I know more than a handful of people who go there, and if they are any indication of the level of intelligence of the students that go there, then I can't imagine enjoying it there.</p>

<p>woh woh woh. Despite the fact that I dont like it here, it's still a helluva school academically. The grade deflation is true because it's not a degree factory, which is one of the reasons I'm out of here.</p>