<p>poetgrl, The law and business schools of UVa are not private . They receive private funding but are part of the University of Virginia, which was founded by Thomas Jefferson and has always been a public university.
<a href=“Facts & Figures | The University of Virginia”>http://www.virginia.edu/Facts/</a>
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<p>I know it’s part of the university, but they do not receive taxpayer money, and the three people I know who attended the university of virginia law school will tell you that it’s private. But, it’s not really relevent. It’s just why the school is not so much cheaper for instate like it is in a lot of states. Calling it public or private doesn’t matter. All the attorneys I know who went there, (I live in NC these days and so I know a few business and law grads.), consider it private.</p>
<p>Well, they are free to consider it private but it is not. One of my kids went to UVa and I have lived in Virginia for many years and know UVa law and business grads as well . Even though most of the funding is from private funding, they are still under the umbrella of UVa , which is public. <a href=“http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/university_of_virginia_school_of_law”>http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/university_of_virginia_school_of_law</a></p>
<p>@Torveaux
I’d like to see how a full AP, 2000+ SAT student competitive enough for Cal, Texas, UVA, Michigan, and so on would fare at the National Autonomous University of Mexico’s admissions. </p>
<p>According to <a href=“http://www.milenio.com/politica/UNAM-licenciatura_de_la_UNAM-estudiantes_UNAM-examen_de_la_UNAM_0_277772657.html”>http://www.milenio.com/politica/UNAM-licenciatura_de_la_UNAM-estudiantes_UNAM-examen_de_la_UNAM_0_277772657.html</a> (in Spanish), 126,781 students sat for the university’s entrance exam. Only the top 11,058 were accepted, yielding an 8.72% admission rate. </p>
<p>Yes, I’m aware that it is a part of the university. But, it does not receive any public money, and, in fact, pays money to the university. Many think it will be the new model of “public” education, but it is not operating the same way as the other state law schools. The tuition break is 5,000. The one good thing for V residents is that they reserve 40% of their spots for residents. But, financially, it is a private institution within a public university. All of the funding is private, not most.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/alumni/uvalawyer/spr08/financialselfsuffic.htm”>http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/alumni/uvalawyer/spr08/financialselfsuffic.htm</a></p>
<p>poetgrl, Many of the elite publics rely heavily on private funds these days. UVa is not unique in that. As I mentioned earlier, the other T14 public law schools (Berkeley and Michigan) also do not have a large gap between instate and OOS tuition. The link you provided actually shows that the law school is still first and foremost public. In the words in your link of a UVa law school dean-“If we want to be an elite institution, then we have got to do that with private funds. WE ARE A PUBLIC INSTITUTION FIRST AND WE"RE PROUD OF THAT but we are financed as if we were a freestanding financially self sufficient school. That’s a structure of finance, not governance and it allows us to maintain excellence at a national level.” Again, UVa is a public university and proud of it. I’m not sure why you keep arguing about it. Thomas Jefferson would be rolling over in his grave.</p>
<p>Okay. I said it was an interesting situation. Way more interesting to me is how it is funded differently. But forget it. Now I’m not interested in the uniqueness of it </p>
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<p>Maybe. or maybe look more closely at situations where the student’s records are from one state and yet claiming residency in another state. Yes, there are legit cases (boarding schools, divorced parents, etc), but there have been some shenanigans.</p>
<p>My H’s boss kept a home in Calif - widowed grandma lived in it. When it came time for his kids to apply to UC’s, they cooked up some story that Berkeley bought that the parents were separated and that unemployed mom lived there. So, even tho the kids went to high school where the family really lived, they got instate tuition in Calif…all three of them. </p>
<p>I dont know how that would have been caught without staking out the house to see who really lived there. </p>
<p>“I don’t know how that would have been caught without staking out the house to see who really lived there.”</p>
<p>Or someone they told about these shenanigans turning them in, which seems to be what happened in the Georgia case.</p>
<p>Re: post 67 - Agree and I know some colleges give as much weight to the high school transcript in determining residency as to income taxes, property taxes etc. Some make it near impossible to claim residency with an oos transcript. We have a friend who is divorced and lives in a different state than her ex. Her kids spent approximately 14 weeks per year with the father, and the father had lifelong residency in the state. The youngest son hoped to go to the flagship in the state the father resides, but was denied residency based on high school attendance out of state.</p>
<p>I always assumed any freshman applicant with an out of state HS transcript applying for in-state tuition would be flagged. Doesn’t seem to be the case.</p>
<p>First, I want to be clear that I have no sympathy for people trying to fake in-state residency, like the parent in the original news story on this thread. Good on UGA for catching him and throwing the book at him.</p>
<p>On the somewhat different (to my mind) topic of illegals, Torveaux recently wrote:</p>
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<p>If they go back to their birth country they are subject to the automatic “10 year ban”. If people are in the US illegally and then depart, US law prohibits their legal return for 10 years. For an 18 year old who remembers only growing up in the US, that’s effectively life banishment, no?</p>
<p>$37000 / 24 months = $1500 per month. His Atlanta condo building is a really nice high rise. Coupled with his ability to write a $37000 check when he was caught, I’d assume he has business interests in Atlanta, which have put him in Georgia 60-ish annually. In other words, this was not all completely orchestrated around the daughter attending UGa. Sounds like a case of, well I have that place near the Georgia office, so we could probably get UGa in-state tuition using that address. He must have really ticked off a business associate… or the daughter was telling too many friends.</p>
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Except this was NOT a misunderstanding of the in-state requirements. This was a willful perjury.</p>
<p>I still find this case highly unusual.
It’s like if a Texas family faked residency in Louisiana because one kid really wanted to attend LSU even though Texas has A&M, UT, UT Dallas, and other excellent universities.</p>
<p>^ Well… I have to wonder Georgia has the Hope scholarship so technically if she was a Georgia resident she could have gotten the Hope scholarship if she Earned a 3.0 grade point average at the college level on degree coursework after attempting 30, 60, or 90 semester hours or 45, 90, or 135 quarter hours, regardless of where she went to high school. So they may have been thinking that she would end up with the Hope scholarship after a year and then they would be paying very little for tuition. I think the hope scholarship pays $3390 of the $4,014 for 15 credit hours per semester. I wonder if they applied for it and that’s how UGA found out…</p>
<p>I understand UGa is a selective school, but I have it on good authority that many less selective publics look the other way with regard to residency requirements. Most school admins want as many incoming legs as possible, by any means necessary. So not only does this type of fraud regularly occur, it’s often implicitly encouraged. Some publics even advertise that they give in-state tuition to students from neighboring states. More students = more revenue.</p>
<p>@MichiganGeorgia Is the Hope Scholarship purely merit or need? If merit, what a killer deal. If need, I don’t think it pertains to this gentleman and his daughter, as he appears to be of high means.</p>
<p>Well, the younger brother is starting at UVa as an instate student this year so they must be willing to pay for him since any aid there is need based. If the dad could cut a check for $37,000 easily when all this started with the sister, they probably are not getting aid from UVa. It really doesn’t make any sense that a family would take this kind of risk to begin with for the daughter to go to UGA but criminals are not known to have the best judgment or smarts! Either the father or daughter were not smart enough to keep their mouths shut since somebody apparently knew about all this and turned them in…</p>
<p>Did her father write the $37000 check before or after charges were filed?</p>