People who applied for Duke also applied for other “top” schools. I guess they were rejected by Duke and accepted by other “top” schools. Therefore, hate Duke
SAT average:
Duke: 1540
UCLA: 1370
UC Berkeley: 1440
University of Michigan:1430
@Milliochie The SAT average for Duke is not 1540. For the new SAT it 1500, for the old was 1460.
Resentment could be a logical explanation.
BTW, 50 percentiles for the colleges Miliochie mentioned is:
Duke: 2110-2380
UCLA: 1730-2150
UC Berkeley: 1940-2300
UMich: 2050-2330
I don’t think the difference in the SAT range is sufficiently different between Cal/Michigan and Duke to explain the hostility. We are talking about 30-40 points per section, and that’s including the in-state majority. OOS students, the ones that are more likely to have applied to Duke, share virtually identical admissions standards.
In the case of Michigan, there have been several posters who claim an affiliation to Duke (students or alumni) who have posted frequent and highly derogatory and condescending posts in the Michigan forum over the years. That explains the lion’s share of the hostility.
rjkofnovi in particular has had a disturbing fascination and hate for Duke for a long time so don’t take what he/she says seriously.
Jwest, rjkofnovi did not start it. Like I said, there were several, possibly a dozen of so, Duke students and alumni who posted thousands of highly derogatory and condescending messages on the Michigan forum over a period of 5-6 years. They have successfully been stamped out eventually, but some posters on the Michigan forum have not forgotten…or forgiven.
“Like I said, there were several, possibly a dozen of so, Duke students and alumni who posted thousands of highly derogatory and condescending messages on the Michigan forum over a period of 5-6 years. They have successfully been stamped out eventually, but some posters on the Michigan forum have not forgotten…or forgiven”
What you basically just told me is that two wrongs make a right. How old are you again?
Two wrongs make/don’t make a right? Really? Are you going to reduce human behavior to such a simplistic cliche? More appropriately, how old are you? That being said and to answer your question, no, I do not condone retaliation.
So the hate basically started like any other hate starts? With trolls? I’m really not surprised.
I also wouldn’t be surprised if the individuals who started the Duke hate didn’t even actually go to the school.
Why is tr0lls censored?
I agree IsaacTheFuture. Those posters certainly did not comport themselves in a way that was consistent with a university of Duke exceptional calibre, which is why I said that they “claimed” to be affiliated. Anyway, they were banned for breaching CC rules.
I was just pointing out that Duke, unlike other top ten ranked schools, is lacking in quantity of top ten departments. Duke Is a fine private school; I just feel it is a bit overrated.
I agree that Duke is overrated. It’s still an amazing school. Not Top 10 though.
I think when looking at undergrad it is a top 10 school. For undergrad one looks at both overall quality, prestige of the university as a whole and specifically its undergraduate program and student population and also individual departmental/grad school strength, research output etc. Yes Duke is lacking when it comes to the number of top 10 departments it has relative to the other top 10 schools and also its yield is rather low relative to other top 10 schools, but I think it still is a top 10 college. Probably it is the last of the top 10 schools, but all things considered I do not think any other school could really claim Duke’s place at a top 10 college at this point.
You have places like Berkeley and Michigan that are prob stronger overall universities but when it comes to undergrad quality Duke is considered to be better.
It’s reasonable to suggest (as the publicuniversithonors.com editors do) that the subjective rankings of individual departments may be more reliable than the subjective peer assessments of entire colleges. Nevertheless, undergraduates in a random major won’t get a better college education just because a greater number of other departments rank in the top N (even assuming that research-oriented department rankings are reliable and appropriate). IMO other factors are likely to have greater effects on the quality of their own classroom experiences. After all, many small liberal arts colleges deliver high quality classroom experiences and excellent outcomes despite having no top departments at all among the 15 ranked by publicuniversithonors.com (using USNWR opinion polls).
One benefit LACs provide is a higher level of student-faculty engagement than they’d get at most research universities. The National Survey of Student Engagement examines features such as the number/length of writing assignments and the amount of faculty-student contact outside the classroom. Unfortunately the aggregate scores aren’t easily accessible and no similar measurements (other than class size distributions and S:F ratios) show up in the major rankings.
“You have places like Berkeley and Michigan that are prob stronger overall universities but when it comes to undergrad quality Duke is considered to be better.”
According to whom Penn95? Certainly not according to academe or industry. That being said, I think Duke is fairly ranked. The problem isn’t with Duke’s ranking, it is with Cal and Michigan’s ranking. They are underrated. I just don’t think Duke is better than Cal or Michigan, although it is certainly as good.
Public universities like Cal and Michigan are usually going to be lower on any ranking system that includes some quality of student metric because the selection criteria for in-state students is usually lower. In addition, many public universities dedicate more of their resources toward more capital intensive areas, such as the sciences and engineering, but rankings often equally weight all subject areas. With a given budget, a school’s overall ranking could be higher by spending more on less capital intensive areas.
Duke is DEFINITELY a top 10 undergrad school. I would like to see why people think otherwise.
I suspect that people who hate Duke because of jealousy. I know a few people personally were rejected by Duke but accepted by Notre Dame, Northwestern, and Berkeley.
Since quality of undergrad is rather subjective, let’s see how Duke stacks up against Cal, UMich, Harvard, and Stanford - for some perspective - in objective statistics.
Endowment/Student
Duke: $715,518
Cal: $105,879
UMich: $229,438
Harvard: $1,790,476
Stanford: $1,398,249
R&D Expenditure/Student
Duke: $69,344
Cal: $20,639
UMich: $30,620
Harvard: $48,274
Stanford: $64,405
Student:Faculty Ratio (with classes fewer than 20 students)
Duke: 6:1 (73%)
Cal: 17:1 (59.6%)
UMich: 15:1 (57.2%)
Harvard: 7:1 (73.2%)
Stanford: 4:1 (71.3%)
Freshman retention rate:
Duke: 97%
Cal: 97%
UMich: 97%
Harvard: 97%
Stanford: 98%
Graduation rate %
Duke: 94.5%
Cal: 90.9%
UMich: 90.4%
Harvard: 97.5%
Stanford: 95.2%
Niche Ranking (opinions of actual students, instead of online forum users who haven’t even attended the school)
Duke: 3.8
Cal: 3.6
UMich: 3.8
Harvard: 4
Stanford: 4
Professor Ratings (this is the only way we can actually gauge professor quality without actually sitting through a multitude of class periods at each college)
Duke: 3.79
Cal: 3.78
UMich: 3.78
Harvard: 3.88
Stanford: 3.93
Average SAT (Now this is in no way actually indicative of the actual quality of the school, but it does give us a little insight on the type of students attending these colleges)
Duke: 2110-2380
Cal: 1940-2300
UMich: 2050-2330
Harvard: 2110-2390
Stanford: 2080-2360
Now based off these few - but meaningful - statistics, UMich and Cal can definitely stack up against Duke, but at the end of the day Duke takes the edge. Based off the resources at its disposal along with student satisfaction, it’s undoubtedly a top 10 undergrad imo.