High Academic Recruited Athlete- MIT vs HMC..now what?

First off, neither choice is bad, and only your daughter really knows how she feels. Having said that, if she goes to MIT, doesn’t like it, and decides to transfer, she can go basically anywhere else, including HMC. The reverse is not true.

S1 is a college athlete. He decided to not go ED1 at an elite LAC in favor of another school. The coach, who before that had been pretty adamant about him having to apply ED1, said, “That’s ok, if it doesn’t work out there, just apply here ED2. We’ll have a spot for you.” He only got that offer because he would’ve been a very strong player on the LAC team. If your daughter has similar talent, she might be able to get a similar deal at HMC.

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One thing to keep in mind is that many of the EA supported athlete applicants to MIT are deferred to the regular admissions cycle. In my son’s recruit class for his sport only a couple were actually admitted in the EA round. The coach kept in contact with those deferred to regular admission and apparently met with admissions, but had no further say in who got in. In the end, the 50% estimate from the coach was pretty accurate but many had to wait until March to find out.

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No, that’s not what I think. There’re, of course, student athletes at schools like MIT, who major in STEM. However, the depth a student chooses to delve into in her major varies from student to student (beyond meeting the basic requirement of her major). I’m not familiar with Colorado School of Mines, but I know MIT well, and to a (much) lesser extent, HMC. The core requirements of these two schools are much greater than any other school, including engineering schools, with the possible exception of Caltech. There’s simply finite number of hours in a day. Every student needs to prioritize her activities.

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Sounds like she can really do anything she puts her mind to. If money isn’t an issue, her chances are better, and most importantly she prefers HMC, there’s absolutely no reason not to lean that way in the application process. If the sport is outdoors it will absolutely be more enjoyable in the California sun, as she’ll be much more accustomed to the warmer weather. As an incoming collegiate athlete from Texas, i’m grateful that i won’t have to adapt to new weather conditions and temperatures etc. Head drum major of a Texas band is no joke either, and the fact that she was able to do that in addition to near perfect grades and the fact that she’s team captain of her sport, there’s no doubt in my mind she’ll excel in a rigorous academic and athletic environment. You should be proud, you’ve done what most of us can only wish for. There’s no wrong answers here, but HMC is the way to go :slight_smile:

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Take athletics out of the equation, for a sec. Per CC wisdom, go to a school you will be happy at if you suffer a career-ending injury. Does that change the analysis?

Sounds like fit-wise HMC wins, but for the possible neuroscience concern. That concern is big or little, depending on your daughter. But it is mitigated by the consortium, the two other possible majors, the possibility of future grad school, and that college students change their minds all the time. Who knows what the future holds.

Sounds like “I won the lottery!”-wise, MIT wins. I don’t mean to diminish the importance of that, my son is going through the same analysis. MIT is in a category all its own. If you have a kid who will fit in anywhere, has the academic chops, and money isn’t an obstacle, it is impossible to ignore the value of an MIT education.

The other CC wisdom nugget is only apply ED if you are sure the school is your first choice. I don’t think that advice changes if the applicant is an athlete.

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Not to mention injury. . . Point well taken.

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Most athletes I know what quit did so because of playing time - they weren’t as good as they thought they were.

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Did she get 1 of 2 slots for her sport at HMC - CMS or is this soft support/tip? Where did you get the 80% for HMC - CMS for ED1 with coach’s support?

If the teams needs 5-8 recruits a year and there are 2 slots,
what are the 3-8 recruits with murky support for ED1?

I was reading from previous posts that PP/CMS teams only have
2 slots and fuzzy soft support/tips. Sounds like NESCAC, but not really?

@SweetCoffee the way the coach explained it is that she has 5 hard slots for Claremont McKenna and then 1-2 additionally from Scripps (but not slots) and then sometimes one from Mudd. So aside from the 5 defined slots at CM it does seem a little vague/murky. Based on the favorable pre read the coach seems to indicate that if D maintains grades and doesn’t blow off essays then she is in with her support. So the 80% probably isn’t right…It seems to be 95%+

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Anyone who matters knows that HMC is at least as good than MIT. Maybe you can console her with the fact that HMC (last I checked) grads have the highest overall salaries in the US.

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That is consistent with what the Pomona coach told my S. He had limited true slots, but believed S had a 95% or better shot if he ED’d with his support. I think the coaches provide that hedge in case the applicant does something stupid in the interim or just blows his/her app or something unexpected comes up in a GC report or an LoR.

Agree with @twoinanddone in #46. Most of the drop outs we know of were because of PT or sadly in a few cases, academic ineligibility. Although I think injuries may be a real factor in certain sports, especially contact sports or sports or positions involving significant joint stress (like pitchers).

Brain & Cognitive Science is offered as a major or minor at MIT

Math & CS is offered as a major at both HMC & at MIT Consider comparing courses offered by each school in this major.

https://www.hmc.edu/academics/majors-at-harvey-mudd/

https://www.hmc.edu/registrar/planning-your-major/

Has your daughter visited MIT ?

MIT & Harvey Mudd are quite different in campus vibe, in my opinion.

Thank you for the update and clarification!

If I may add, the vibe/social aspect is equally important to the
academics and sport. No matter how much work the school
and sport throw at her, her friends will help carry the burden by making life fun and creating good memories. I still remember the smell and taste of the cheap beer and pizza taking a break bs sessions with friends. Good times.

Good luck at HMC!

Has OP’s daughter indicated that she has elected to apply ED1 to HMC ?

My impression is that the matter is still under consideration.

@Txfamily1968 : OP: Has your daughter visited MIT ?

Has your daughter made a decision as to whether or not to apply ED 1 to HMC ?

HMC’s acceptance rate for female applicants is much higher than for male applicants, so ED 2 is a likely acceptance for her. I understand that there is a slight chance that her position on the team may not be held, but is your daughter going to college to play soccer/softball/lacrosse or to earn a degree & get a great job ?

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It seems to me that a lot of the debate here is around how each school would help a student with broad interests to narrow down and choose their trajectory. One argument is that MIT offers a more varied array of majors and specialties to explore, whereas the way HMC’s extensive academic core, funneling into a more contained array of majors, could be limiting.

I think the two schools just present students with wide options in different ways. At MIT, where much of what distinguishes the experience from any other university is the ability to take part in top-tier research as an undergrad, the “sorting” of undergrads into UROP jobs has (in my experience, anyway) an outsized influence on the paths students end up in. That is where close relationships with faculty mentors are most commonly built, whereas the classroom experience is less personal, at least in the lower division classes one takes while still making decisions about majors, etc.

This is all YMMV, and there are many exceptions to any generalization. But if I were helping my kid decide between MIT and HMC, I would ask myself whether this student was particularly passionate about exploring their options from a shopping-research-labs perspective, or from a perspective of finding mentors and academic passions in the classroom, and then following those mentors and passions into research opportunities as well as majors and careers.

HMC’s whole philosophy is to keep things broad at the undergrad level, and let students carve out their particular specialty areas within broader programs. This is why the engineering degree is a general one, and why the Core puts every student through their paces across the lab sciences, higher math, and introductory CS and engineering design, before they branch off into majors. (I know MIT has core requirements also, but it’s not the same shared experience that HMC students share as a cohort.) My overall sense is that HMC students approach their sophomore year decision about a major informed by an intentionally-crafted array of experiences, whereas where an MIT student ends up comes from more of a mix of the passions they pursue and the sheer randomness of where particular rolls of the dice (via scheduling, social contacts, EC’s and research gigs) may steer them. I’m not saying that’s bad - life works like that in general! But for a student who potentially has both options, it bears asking whether they’re the kind of person who would best find their path through a more curated, cohort-based educational experience, or whether they would be happier navigating their own path through a dizzying array of choices, knowing that it will take a lot of initiative and decisiveness to get the most out of it. Again, I am not saying that either is objectively better than the other; but a particular individual could be far happier with one experience than the other, depending on their personality, learning style, etc. Both schools accept exceptionally talented and driven students, and produce highly accomplished and successful graduates. The feel of the process is quite different, and a self-aware student is likely to know which sounds more exciting and appealing to them, reputational cachet aside.

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The experiences at these two schools will certainly differ, but I see the main difference between them is in the availability of higher levels of courses and research opportunities in subject areas a student is interested in. Of course, not all students want to pursue such opportunities. Since OP’s daughter has identified a few areas of potential interest within STEM, she may find these more in-depth opportunities valuable, if, for example, she intends to pursue a more research-focused career.

Possible, depending on her particular interests and on whether she could actually take on a heavy research commitment on top of her courseload and her sport. It’s worth noting, though, that HMC produces future PhD’s at a higher rate than almost any other school in the country, so I definitely wouldn’t say that it’s holding its students back from research-focused careers. Where it may not be the best choice is where a student is so “pointy” that they’re pursuing a particular field of study far beyond the undergrad level while still an undergrad. (There are grad-level classes available through Claremont Graduate U, but obviously not to the extent you’d find at MIT or Caltech or etc.) A student who’s looking for a combination of depth and breadth should generally have plenty to chew on for 4 years at the 5C’s (plus summer REU’s)… but it bears checking out specifics for one’s individual interests, both in terms of course offerings and in terms of faculty research endeavors.

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@Publisher We have visited MIT but it has been 2+ years and it was a quick tour. We are discussing the possibility of a visit and session with coach before the application deadline. D has not made a final decision about ED1 application to HMC and is thinking hard through the options. Additionally we have a few questions and items to get clarified with the CMS coach.

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I agree that she may not have spare time to take on in-depth research commitment with her courseload and sport. Additionally, HMC does generally provide sufficient research opportunities for its students (just not at the levels of MIT/Caltech, IMO). Higher-level courses in specialized areas also depend on a student’s interest and readiness. It’s conceivable, though, that she may become more interested in them later in college and willing to make some trade-offs to accommodate that interest.

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I would also like to point out that the Claremont colleges also have two grad school with more extensive research.