<p>For a student who is strong in math, doing AP-Calc BC in one year should be enough; there's no need to do AP-Calc AB and then spend another semester--or more-- on the BC part. Similarly, I hope your S takes AP-Physics C (both parts) rather than AP-Physics B, which will not be given credit by most engineering schools. A lot of students take AP-Calc and AP Physics C concurrently; but it gives an edge to have done Calc before taking Physics. Since your school is willing to contemplate EPGY, your S can make use of it to achieve flexibility in his schedule. Scheduling, rather than the courses themselves is often the stumbling block. As for social studies, 3 years should be sufficient. Either AP-USH or AP-Euro should be fine.</p>
<p>EPGY's calc course is a three-course sequence. It isn't broken down by AB or BC. Because I don't know the breakdown of the AP calculus exams, I don't know if a student could just take one of those three courses and cover the BC material. However, I suspect not. </p>
<p>If your school does not offer calc BC, you may want to consider having your son enroll in EPGY's calc sequence during his junior year. There are several subsequent EPGY math courses he could take in his senior year, such as multivariable differential, mutivariable integral, logic, number theory, etc.</p>
<p>The College Board has a full description of the AP-Calc curriculum. BC has a few more topics than AB. It should be easy to compare the AP curriculum with EPGY's.</p>
<p>Throwing info in as someone who did engineering:</p>
<p>I do agree that AP Stats is Math-Lite. Marite gave a great suggestion with continuing the sequence of math courses. When Soozie's life calms down, perhaps she could tell you about the online course her D took in math during her senior year (I think it was through Johns Hopkins). </p>
<p>Engineers have to take AB Calc, BC calc (taught in two different semester at my alma mater), multivariable calc, and then differential equations. Some engineers (computer?) have to take linear algebra. AP Stats will likely just count towards an elective, if for anything at all. A lot of those courses are also required for science majors (chem and physics) - my quantum courses required up through multivariable calc, and suggested diff. eq. Physics will require some calc as well.</p>
<p>As for AP-ing out, I think it depends on the school. I APed out of the AB version of calc and was fine (my h.s. only offered AB Calc); some people went straight to multi-variable and were fine. As I said though, it depends on the school - also on the department. I had more problems with APing out of chem (which requires a 5, whereas calc requires a 3).</p>
<p>Having checked on the EPGY website, it appears that M040 is Calculus AB. M041 is partially Calculus AB and partially Calculus BC, while M042 is Calculus BC. So a student who had already taken Calculus AB would have to repeat portions of that in the M041 course if he wanted to take only Calculus BC through EPGY.</p>
<p>I don't know about other schools, but all engineers at my college had to take linear algebra. </p>
<p>Statistics wouldn't have counted one iota towards graduation. Engineering students had to take core math, science, and english; core subjects in their engineering discipline; elective courses in their engineering discipline; and two sequences of courses in different humanities. Statistics wouldn't have fit into the graduation requirements anywhere. </p>
<p>Colleges vary, though, so it's best to look at the requirements of each.</p>
<p>Thank you again, for all of your input. Here is a schedule for JR/SR year that I will propose to the GC next week:</p>
<p>JR Year :</p>
<p>Band/Chorus
French IV (GC recommends that he take this)
AP Calc AB (our school does not offer BC)
Honors Physics (our HS requires this prior to AP Physics)
AP Us History
AP Language & Composition
Gym</p>
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<p>Sr Year:</p>
<p>Band/Chorus
AP Chem
AP Physics AB (our school does not offer BC)
AP Government (HS requires either this or a .5 Credit Civics course)
AP Literature & Composition
AP music theory (he really wants it, the teacher is awesome)
Gym</p>
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<p>The thought I am having is that during Sr year, he can take EPGY AP Calc B and then move onto C (I'll have to do some research on the curriculum of our HS AP Calc AB, as its possible that he can move right into AP Calc C on EPGY and skip AP Calc B ). Our primary goal is not necessarily to gain the college credit (although it would be nice), but really to 1)free up his schedule for science & music; and 2) to continue to be actively be involved in math coursework during jr & sr year so that his math brain doesn't go into hiatus.... and, to accomplish both without hurting his chances at a competitive school AND continuing to allow him time to do his running/skiing/scouting! </p>
<p>I want to thank all of you for taking the time to give me your insights, it has been extremely helpful. I welcome any further comments you may have on the proposed schedule for jr/sr year. </p>
<p>Thanks!!!</p>
<p>I think your proposed schedule for Jr. and Sr. year looks great. I'd be concerned about adding on a math class his senior year with all his other activites. I don't think he'll need it for college admission. He'll also need time to visit colleges and fill out applications. </p>
<p>If he's concerned about "forgetting" his math, how about an online summer course? Don't forget, he'll be doing a lot of math in AP Chemistry and AP Physics.</p>
<p>The schedule looks fine. I'm concerned that the school offers only AP-Physics B, It's not appropriate for someone who wants to do engineering. Unlike AP-Calc in which BC is a continuation of AB, AP-Physics B is a totally different course from AP-Physics C, and has far less math in it. But if that's what the school offers, your S gotta take it.</p>
<p>seniormom, the course sequence through EPGY is Calc A, B and C. EPGY suggests that each of these courses takes about 12 weeks. Taking Calc A & B prepares you for the Calc AB exam. The C version prepares you for the BC exam. So, if your son could fit it in I would suggest that he take Calc C at some point between the end of junior year and May of Senior year.</p>
<p>Regarding engineering schools, someone posted earlier some of the general math requirements, particularly for the CS majors. One other topic that may be interesting is Number Theory. It is a college level class through EPGY and has Pre-Calc as a pre-requisite. For the CS types, it has pretty broad application in cryptography.</p>
<p>I am looking at doing something similar for my second son his senior year, which is next year. Good luck in your efforts.</p>
<p>Let me clarify so folks aren't confused - EPGY's M040 and M041 (A and B) are sufficient if a student plans to take the Calc AB exam. However, although M042 (C) is all Calc BC, that alone will not prepare a student for the BC exam because some of the BC topics are covered in M041. For example, Mean Value Theorum is a Calc BC topic, but that is covered in M041. Here is a quote from the website for M042: "Together with Calculus B, this course prepares students to take the BC Calculus AP exam."</p>
<p>I've never asked, but strongly suspect that EPGY's A, B, and C course designation have nothing to do with the AP courses. They most likely are related to Stanford's quarter system.</p>
<p>Seniormom - if your son's high school will accept EPGY credits, he may want to take the EPGY Phys B series in his junior year. EPGY does not require any specific prior science course, let alone honors physics. Your son could then take both Phys C courses in his senior year. EPGY Phys C is a breeze for students who have already taken EPGY's Phys B.</p>
<p>Thanks again everyone, your thoughtful advice is giving us a lot to think about!</p>