Hispanic Magazine Ranks Princeton 2nd in Nation

[PtonGrad2000]

<p><a href="http://www.jbhe.com/features/36_leading_universities.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.jbhe.com/features/36_leading_universities.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Byerly, you really seem to want to start a fight, even after I treated your remarks with (in hindsight) more graciousness than they deserved.</p>

<p>Before you start throwing insults at altovoce, you should at least be more careful in your own research. (What DID they teach you at Harvard?) You've posted the wrong link. You are directing readers to an unrelated article in the JBHE from last fall. The correct link to the survey article from this spring is shown above. The spring survey is not, as you so misleadingly suggest, an analysis of trends, it's an absolute measure as shown in the detailed description of the methodology. </p>

<p>To quote: </p>

<p>"JBHE has ranked America's leading universities according to their relative success in attracting, enrolling, and graduating African-American students as well as their progress in bringing black professors to their campuses. Universities are ranked according to a blending of 13 widely accepted quantitative measures of institutional racial integration."</p>

<p>In fact, as any reader can discover for himself or herself, even the old article in the link you posted does not offer the analysis you're suggesting. I encourage readers to read the article Byerly has pointed to since, in fact, it's quite flattering to Princeton. The careful reader will also note in the unrelated article you point to, that Harvard (like Princeton) has not reported either its number of black applicants or its black acceptance rate. Yale, also like Princeton, has not reported the number of blacks accepted, the acceptance rate or the black student yield. Harvard reported black student yield but not the application and acceptance numbers that would support it. By the way, I suspect that the policy of not reporting those figures is likely to change at all the schools. In the current survey, the JBHE states that:</p>

<p>"So far, Princeton has not publicly posted overall black student yield figures. But figures released by Princeton to JBHE on black student yield for low-income students would, if applied to black students as a whole, place the university among the top three of the 26 highest-ranking universities in the black student yield rankings. </p>

<p>"The university's black student yield undoubtedly has increased dramatically over the past five years due to Princeton's new financial aid policies providing unprecedented benefits to low-income students of all races. These policies eliminate all student loans and replace them with outright grants. In addition, students from families with incomes of less than $46,500 a year receive full tuition grants. Princeton's improving student yield figures, if reported, would undoubtedly improve its overall diversity score."</p>

<p>In other words, the JBHE is suggesting that Princeton’s ranking would move even higher were it to report the black student yield which it believes to be among the three highest in the nation. We won’t know for certain until the actual numbers are released.</p>

<p>Finally, it may well be true that Harvard has the highest black ‘yield’ but you cannot say that (in fact even the JBHE doesn’t say that) without all the schools reporting their numbers. The JBHE states (more accurately than you have) that “among the 22 universities that disclosed black student yield statistics to JHBE this year,” Harvard came in first.</p>

<p>It’s ironic that in your attempt to call altovoce’s postings misleading you’ve been far more misleading yourself.</p>

[Byerly]

<p>I have been tracking "alto voce" etc etc etc for years, PtonGrad2000. </p>

<p>This has nothing to do with you, and is not intended to denigrate Princeton in the slightest, but merely to call attention to his chronic failure to provide supporting links for data taken out of context.</p>

<p>I note that you, too, fail to post that portion of the article that explains, as I have said, that the "ranking" trumpeted by "alto voce" etc etc etc is primarily demonstrating improvement by schools over time - so that a poor earlier record that has since improved may earn a higher "ranking" than a school with a consistently better performace.</p>

<p>An odd measurement, perhaps, but one can understand that the JBHE thinks it important to encourage "improvement."</p>

<p>But this is NOT a ranking of relative performance, or achievement, or statistical measures of significance, in any one year.</p>

<p>You will note that I provided a LINK to support the stats I reported - something that "alto voce" etc etc etc almost never does.</p>

[altovoce]

<p>P'tonGrad, Nice job, you do Princeton proud. You called it just right. Byerly is looking to provoke a fight. His history shows that he does this often (most recently at the U. Chicago site).</p>

<p>My history is open for all to see and I invite all to inspect my posts. Byerly has some absurd notion that I am someone else. Until now he has been accusing me of being you (I was flattered!). Earlier, in this thread, you suggested that he may have made a mistake in responding to me rather than you. It was no mistake!
He has had a number of his posts deleted by the Mods and I have chosen to ignore him and not be baited.</p>

[Byerly]

<p>We know exactly who you are, "alto voce" etc etc etc.</p>