<p>I've been looking at the stats of Hispanics that get into Ivies and I've noticed that many seem to get in with stellar GPAs and ranks, whereas their SAT and SAT IIs scores aren't necesarilly that great.
So, I'm wondering is there still hope for someone with High SAT and low GPA?(and by low I don't mean 70s I mean like about 2 Cs in transcript, and about 8 Bs)</p>
<p>post ur stats</p>
<p>Colleges often overlook low stats for URM's, post exact stats please...(include your class rank if available)</p>
<p>Exact stats help.</p>
<p>hmm..you never know..</p>
<p>URMs can get into Ivies faily easily with stats that would get a white male into a top 35 University.</p>
<p>While my GPA, ECs, and Personal Factors were strong, I only scored a 2050 composite on the SAT. I did however score 800, 740, and 720 on my SAT IIs and had a very strong r</p>
<p>For non-URMs, I hope you understand that the initiatives that Ivies take aren't merely to give one group the upper hand over another in an unfair way - rather it is to level the playing field and make an Ivy League education attainable for groups who have been !historically limited by prejudices and other social and economic obstacles!</p>
<p>How come I don't get URM status even though I'm Asian.... QQ</p>
<p>Ok, well URM stands for "Under-Represented Minorities." My first reaction when I read in a book ("A is For Admission" actually) was like "WHAT?"</p>
<p>Well, you see, Asian American students are actually far from UNDER-represented. In many schools, especially Ivies, Asian students make up the largest percentage of minority students (sometimes double the percentage of African Americans or Hispanic/Latino students). The latter two groups truly are under-represented b/c they're figures are usually around the neighborhood of 8%. Oh, and American Indian students usually make up REALLY SMALL percentages (like anywhere from 1% to 3% of all minorities). So, the big three URM groups are American Indians, Hispanic/Latinos, African Americans. Unfortunately, Asian students aren't under-represented. However, you should feel confident because as I said, MANY Asian students get into the Ivies. I'd feel confident if I were you ;). Good luck, Brown!</p>
<p>-Jon :)</p>
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For non-URMs, I hope you understand that the initiatives that Ivies take aren't merely to give one group the upper hand over another in an unfair way - rather it is to level the playing field and make an Ivy League education attainable for groups who have been !historically limited by prejudices and other social and economic obstacles!
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No groups of people other than the academically qualified applicants should have an edge in college admissions. Period. Civil rights are supposed to be about equality. In this case, equality means everyone has a fair chance. Once a qualified applicant has been accepted, it is reasonable to consider his economic situation for financial aid purposes. Anyway, affirmative action is wrong, and if you argue otherwise... well, so be it.</p>
<p>[rather it is to level the playing field and make an Ivy League education attainable for groups who have been historically limited by prejudices and other social and economic obstacles.]
I was trying to say that Asians have gone through the same stuff.</p>
<p>I have a similar question (So I'll try not to totally 'jack' the thread . . . )</p>
<p>What if a URM has good SATs (2200+), but the GPA is somewhat below standard (top 10%), but not top 5%, 3.7ish range?</p>
<p>Brown, whether or not they've gone through "the same stuff" is irrelevant. Look at the numbers! Asians are just so well-represented in colleges, and the other groups just aren't. That's what it all boils down to.</p>
<p>Durt, I'm sorry but is it necessary <em>equal</em> not to allow groups that have been historically disadvantaged a fair edge in admissions in competition with the mainstream Americans who, fortunately for them, have not faced these similar opressions? Is it <em>equal</em> to let students who <em>seem</em> "qualified" get in, because perhaps they were able to afford expensive tutors, courses, and other preparation that other disadvantaged students could not afford? I hope you know that, although Ivy League schools claim to be need-blind in their admissions procedure, that they use many application clues to discern which students have had the edge in life all along and which ones have not.</p>
<p>Durt, your standard of <em>equality</em> simply isn't equal. You're basically saying that everyone on a lopsided playing field should be considered as-is and that's that. I'm sorry, but that's not how the world works. There are very qualified students from disadvantaged backgrounds. There are also many less-than-qualified students from the mainstream who get accepted for factors (like wealthy parents contributing funds for a new library, building, etc.). There are just so many variables that inevitably shift the favor to one side. Affirmative Action, while supercially seeming <em>unequal</em> is actually one of the best ways to bring about a fair admissions process.</p>
<p>Durt, I recommend (if you haven't already), that you read Michele Hern</p>
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There are very qualified students from disadvantaged backgrounds.
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What makes a poor white kid any less advantaged than a poor mestizo or black kid? And what exactly is the huge history of discrimination against non-black minorities? They never existed in large numbers before the 70s and 60s anyway.</p>
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Is it <em>equal</em> to let students who <em>seem</em> "qualified" get in, because perhaps they were able to afford expensive tutors, courses, and other preparation that other disadvantaged students could not afford?
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What does this have to do with race? This is a stereotype and generality. If it's just about unfair economic advantage, being "hispanic" (which means pretty much nothing anyway) shouldn't have anything to do with anything.</p>
<p>I agree with Sejanus completely.</p>
<p>Affirmative action might be "racism to counter racism", but it is racism nonetheless. There are plenty of disadvantaged kids from non-URM backgrounds who cannot afford to buy paper, much less hire a tutor.</p>
<p>In any case, I am sick and tired of the whole discrimination excuse.</p>
<p>a) Sejanus is right, Hispanics have NOTHING to cry about. Their experiences in American society don't even come close to what the Blacks underwent.</p>
<p>b) Even when it comes to Blacks, affirmative action is unethical. The government needs to solve the problem at its root, not just cure the symptoms. You have to allocate more funds to the education systems in underpriviliged communities. Accepting someone who scored a 2000 on his SATs into Harvard is criminal, in my view.</p>
<p>c) Discrimination doesn't have to mean illiteracy, ineptitude, and ignorance.
OK, so the Blacks dealt with segregation up until the late 60's, so they lagged behind. But what about the Jews? did they receive public education from the Khazzaks back in Eastern Europe? NO. They educated themselves! and that is why Jews are the most prosperous minority in this country. Education is impressed deep into Jewish culture, and other minorities need to start doing the same.</p>
<p>Asians are actually underrepresented at several top colleges.</p>
<p>which ones?</p>
<p>Hikaru, if that was serious, there's gonna be a flame war here really fast.</p>
<p>I guess then I'm a criminal, carrying my 2000 all the way to Harvard 8P, whatever man.</p>
<p>Notre Dame is about 5.4% asians
<a href="http://equity.nd.edu/statistics/StudentStatistics.shtml%5B/url%5D">http://equity.nd.edu/statistics/StudentStatistics.shtml</a></p>
<p>US population is 4.3% asian
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_American#Demographics%5B/url%5D">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_American#Demographics</a></p>
<p>Not URM but not to over-repersented.</p>