<p>-I think you all are confusing my meaning. I believe that HBCUs offer the educational quality of average state schools (many of them are state schools themselves). I in no way believe that the students in said schools are not intelligent, just not as intelligent as those in top-ranked schools. Given the chance of going to Harvard or Howard, most students would chose the former, thats just not something against which none can argue. Also, do not compare me to a white supremacist group; as a Black man, I find that highly ridiculous and absurd. </p>
<p>"Given the chance of going to Harvard or Howard, most students would chose the former, thats just not something against which none can argue."
And I'm sure you can back that up with statistics, huh?</p>
<p>I would never go to Harvard, even on a free ride. 1) not enough black people there, and 2) its in Massachussetts, and I hate it there. 3) its a small LAC that doesn't offer journalism. 4) too preppy. </p>
<p>However I would go to howard and its on my list of 10 schools I am applying to. 1)A lot of black people there, which I like. 2) Not uptight prepsters there. 3) Big university that is famous for its journalism. 4) great location.</p>
<p>Therefor kkk19131coughcoguh I mean kk19131, I just proved you wrong. Not every student chooses your years of college based on the brand name of an institution.</p>
<p>This discussion is sickening, especially you KK191931, why cant we just respect the choices that people make about college, if you are so intelligent and so refined then why do you need to bash on others in order to make yourself feel better, somebody feels insecure. You go to northwestern not Harvard and even if you did go to Harvard you still should not be knocking on HBCUs. </p>
<p>You say that when people mock your screenname they're wrong because you're black, what else are people supposed to think when you sound as racist and egregious as a Klansmen. You're wrong to totally put down institutions that allow so many people of your race to attend college and is very important in your history as a black person in this country. You are thinking purely supperficially, you think that because a person attends a HBCU they are not exactly the best student or statistically less intelligent, please you dont take into account factors such as financial aid, outside pressures, and totally leave out the students who are in these schools' honors programs or the ones who graduate Phi Beta Kappa, or the ones who become Rhodes Scholars. In the end your argumnent is about as shallow as tear drop. </p>
<p>***<strong><em>Remember big people talk ideas, small people talk about people.</em></strong>*</p>
<p>Therefor kkk19131coughcoguh I mean kk19131, I just proved you wrong. Not every student chooses your years of college based on the brand name of an institution.</p>
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<li>Cough, Cough, notice I said most students, not ALL students. So the only think you proved is that you would not go to Harvard. Good for you. </li>
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<p>This discussion is sickening, especially you KK191931, why cant we just respect the choices that people make about college, if you are so intelligent and so refined then why do you need to bash on others in order to make yourself feel better, somebody feels insecure. You go to northwestern not Harvard and even if you did go to Harvard you still should not be knocking on HBCUs.</p>
<p>-Now thats just laughable; Im not bashing anyone, and I feel fine about myself. I did not use the Harvard example because I want to be at Harvard, but because both Harvard and Howard begin with Hs </p>
<p>HBCU they are not exactly the best student or statistically less intelligent, please you dont take into account factors such as financial aid, outside pressures, and totally leave out the students who are in these schools' honors programs or the ones who graduate Phi Beta Kappa, or the ones who become Rhodes Scholars. In the end your argument is about as shallow as tear drop.</p>
<p>Again, I never said that the people in those institutions were not intelligent, but that (on average) they are not statistically as intelligent as those in top-rated institutions. Maybe I miswrote when I used the word intelligent; maybe I should have said statistically less scholastically-adept. I would say the same thing about most schools in the U.S. I am in no way trying to bash the HBCUs. Moreover, Im sure there have been more students from top-rated institutions who have won Rhodes Scholarships than HBCUs. Also, college honors programs often have rigid SAT and high school GPA requirements which must be met in order for a student to enter said programs, requirements which are very similar to those of top-rated institutions. If one defines an honors program as containing the best students a school has to offer, and if the requirements of honors programs in HBCUs resemble the basic requirements of top-rated schools, than I believe that students in top-rated institutions are (if not more intelligent) more scholastically-adept than those in lower-rated schools, including but not limited to HBCUs.</p>
<p>Actually I know a some people who chose HBCUs over Princeton and Columbia. Like I said previously, either setting is find with me. But some people have different perspectives; for me it has nothing to do with my "comfort-zone"</p>
<p>But to turn this discussion around.....</p>
<p>For those of you who choose HBCUs over predominantly white colleges, what are your MAIN reasons and vice versa?</p>
<p>You guys are playing stupid if you think that more people would pick Howard (or a similar institution) over Harvard. Sure there might be a few each year who make that choice, but for every person who chooses to go to Howard, there are 3 that choose to go to Harvard. The yield statistics between Harvard and Howard are drastically different, so it's not like everyone who is accepted to Howard rejects all other acceptances (even Harvard). It's actually the opposite in that a lot of them choose to go to other schools which probably aren't even as good as Harvard.</p>
<p>Did I actually say that? No, so you shouldn't sit there and assume. I said...I KNOW, not heard of, but KNOW, some students who chose Harvard over Howard.</p>
<p>I'm not trying to make Harvard look bad, I'm just trying to make a point that just because one college is a better college than the other, doesn't mean the student isn't capable of being in "the ivy league." Some people think most black people who can't get into the ivy's just end up going to Howard.</p>
<p>kk, 100 years ago, Howard was the only place your butt could go. You (and I, of course) couldn't get into Northwestern if we wanted. even if we had a 1600 SAT, 4.0 GPA, and hella EC's, we still couldn't go to HYPSetcs. So be grateful that HBCUs are around. You don't have to go to one, but don't disrespect them. Dr. MLK, jr. went to Morehouse, an HBCU. You wouldn't disrespect him, would you?</p>
<p>I agree, i'm not going to judge kk for the things that he's posted, but i think that HBCU's are definitely just as admirable as other places, and yeah thats the only place I could have gone too a while back. And hey Cosby went to an HBCU, everybody's favorite dad! (minus the sex scandal)</p>
<p>I'm aware that except for a few standout schools like Howard, Morehouse, and Spelman, most HBCU's have have extremely low average composite SAT scores (in the 600s, 700s) but that does NOT necessarily mean that blacks who attend those schools are not intelligent--it's just that those students were not familiar with the test and had little or no access to test prep books, tutors, courses, online tutorials, etc. Many HBCU's have a great proportion of low-income students who are the first in their family to attend a four year college/university. Often times, they might have done poorly in h.s. (hence the low standardized test scores and GPA) but are willing to turn their life around and get a college education and a respectable career in the future. </p>
<p>HBCU's for the past 100+ years have played a great role in providing an affordable, decent quality education for minority students, and continue to do so. RBase07 made a great point when he said that a 100 years ago, Howard was the only place blacks could go, no matter how good their credentials were. If a black person were to attend a mainstream university, riots would erupt. Why criticize black students who chose them over mainstream schools, since they've provided a safe haven for minority students? </p>
<p>The rationale for critics who denounce HBCU's is similar to those who believe that all-womens schools have outlived their usefulness. They believe that the student bodies HBCU's and womens colleges don't represent the proverbial "real world" where "white males rule the roost". However, both types of colleges can really foster a sense of identity of what it means to be black, or what it means to be a woman, as well as an understanding of what roles minorities/women have played in history.</p>
<p>There should be no all-anything schools. it sickens me to see the hypocrisy of these institutions. No all black, female, male, Asian, Jewish, anything like that. Once we can see that, then we might actually have progressed as a people.</p>
<p>"There should be no all-anything schools. it sickens me to see the hypocrisy of these institutions. No all black, female, male, Asian, Jewish, anything like that. Once we can see that, then we might actually have progressed as a people."</p>
<p><em>sigh</em>...white people can go to HBCUs if they want...alot just decide not to...</p>
<p>and no...there are no 100% black HBCUs...actually a few HBCUs are now majority white</p>
<p>Just because a white person can go to a HBCU does not mean they encourage it.</p>
<p>How about a HWCU where it's okay if black people want to come. And someone might quip that is the majority of colleges..but, blacks make up 17% of the US population, of course they are going to be a minority on just about every campus.</p>
<p>My point is that we should not encourage these segregation-esque environments...they aren't healthy, and all they do is perpetuate the the growing rift between cultures and gender.</p>
<p>exilio, the Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCU) were erected to counteract the rigidly all white universities out there. We could just as soon call Harvard and Princeton, etc. HWCU, but of course, then people would probably get upset. What I'm saying is that Howard and other historically black schools are probably just as open in their admissions to people of other races as other, historically white, schools. Just because a school doesn't call itself a certain thing (HWCU) dosn't mean it isn't.</p>
<p>Howard's statistics cite only 69% of the student body as african american... this percentage of majority is comparable with top university statistics.</p>