<p>I attended four years of high school (5 years total) in America and score 650+ in the CR section. Will I have to take the TOEFL? I am planning to apply to:</p>
<p>Cal Tech
Columbia
Harvard
MIT
Lafayette
Princeton
UMD
WPI</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>^I'm really interested in knowing this myself. Do they consider only CR to exmpt one from the TOEFL or is writing included?</p>
<p>I might be able to help you a bit ,though I ,myself, am in a similar situation(came to US during my junior year) .
Caltech exempts the TOEFL International students who have studied in the United States for two or more years.
<a href="http://admissions.caltech.edu/admissions/freshman%5B/url%5D">http://admissions.caltech.edu/admissions/freshman</a>
But different colleges have different policies regarding TOEFL.So you're probably better off taking it. You might want to email the colleges regading their TOEFL policies.</p>
<p>i just call them. i still think phone is the best way to get straightforward answers, since they don't have time to think it through. caltech says i don't have to take TOEFL because my sat CR is over 700 and ive attended english-speaking institution for more than 6 years.</p>
<p>what if I attend english-speaking institution for 5 years and CR 700+?</p>
<p>Ok. What if I have attended a English-speaking institution for about 7 yrs and scored 800 CR and 730 W, but I have done so while living in a country where the main language is spanish.Will they be able to exempt me from the TOEFL ( i seriously don't want to waste so much money, and time getting appointments etc, for an unecessary test)</p>
<p>i was wondering that too!
my dream college is UPenn but i got the impression that they needed TOEFL scores if you speak language other than English at home.<br>
I signed up for it (the one that's coming in 2 weeks) but guess what, its 140 freakin bucks!!!</p>
<p>THIS MONEY BETTER NOT BE WASTED. pleaaaase don't tell me i didn't have to take the TOEFL test!</p>
<p>^ lol, thats why I'm asking before signing up. Cool, Upenn, what do you want to major in?</p>
<p>since every college has its own policy, you guys should email the respective admissions offices, and seek their advice pertaining to your own case. i had 700+ on CR and studied in eng-medium schools all my life, and most colleges which i applied to were most willing to waive my TOEFL requirement, with the exception of Bates, which was adamant that I take TOEFL despite my circumstances or else be disadvantaged in the admissions process. I insisted on not submitting, but I got in still. So I don't think TOEFL is really important, provided you have some means to show their proficiency in english, e.g. CR scores, WR scores, English-medium schools, GCE/IB English etc.</p>
<p>lhh421: Directly from UPenn website:</p>
<p>Non-native English speakers who are attending English-speaking schools are also encouraged to sit for the TOEFL, because this test may yield a higher score than the verbal portion of the SAT I.</p>
<p>I have also researched all the schools listed in my question, and none of these schools requires the TOEFL if you have attended American high schools. Some also require a cut-off SAT CR score, 650+ for most. Amherst is crazy and requires 700+.</p>
<p>Worst comes to worst, you can always say you speak English at home :)</p>
<p>^Kind of hard to have them believe it when both my last names are about as hispanic as they can get.</p>
<p>hispanic last name...like... gonzalez? </p>
<p>ok so i feel good now that i didn't waste my money thank you for the quote!</p>
<p>but i do wish i could use that "i speak english at home" thingy. but i've only been in the US for less than 3 years and i wanna make it sort of my "hook." (and to answer megaman's question) im thinking of applying to huntsman program in upenn, which is like a business/international studies program. so that "foreigness" has to be my selling point. </p>
<p>whatever lol i've already signed up anyways. next saturday, taking in downtown detroit. wish me luck :)</p>
<p>Ehh i'm not taking it.
I dont speak 100% english at home
But I've lived in an english-speaking country most of my life
Some of the schools that im applying to actually REQUIRE it even in my circumstances.
But I'm just gonna bend the rules a little bit.
I'm not wasting 140 USD(?) and the extra $ (to send scores). Im fluent in english. And if they dont belive me, and reject me because i didnt show that im fluent in english, stuff them!</p>
<p>GOodluck lhh421!</p>
<p>According Princeton, if you've enrolled in an English speaking institution for more than 3 years, you are not required take TOEFL. It's probably more worthwhile to spend some more time boosting up that CR score. On the other hand, colleges will also acknowledge the fact that English is your second language, so most will more lenient abou the CR score you have. Nonetheless, it's definitely worth it to get it above 700. Good luck.</p>
<p>lhh421: "hispanic last name...like... gonzalez?"
Haha, yes somewhere along that line. I think mine are even more hispanic than gonzalez...I'll just give you my second last name, which I really don't even mind giving because its so common among hispanics, Sanchez...hahah, ha, try to get more hispanic than that!</p>
<p>Thank you NoFX!</p>
<p>Hm... well, i was bored (that's why i come here too!) so i googled the top 10 most popular hispanic last names:</p>
<ol>
<li>GARCIA</li>
<li>MARTINEZ </li>
<li>RODRIGUEZ<br></li>
<li>LOPEZ<br></li>
<li>HERNANDEZ<br></li>
<li>GONZALES </li>
<li>PEREZ<br></li>
<li>SANCHEZ<br></li>
<li>RIVERA<br></li>
<li>RAMIREZ</li>
</ol>
<p>Take that! lol</p>
<p>I can tell you Harvard doesn't make you sit the TOEFL no matter who you are. The idea is that most Harvard applicants are already proficient enough. Wise move on their part, saving them from loads of score reports bearing numbers like 290+ for the CBT and 650+ for the PBT.</p>
<p>i think its all iBT now right? then what's a good score for iBT?</p>