<p>I do in fact want to be serious about math, but my main concern is if my schedule will be doable or if it will be too difficult b/c I want to do orgo (premed). Also, I have not taken multivariable or diff eq yet.</p>
<p>Ok well I just changed my schedule around moving from Honors Physics 260 to Gen Physics 240 just so i could take Honors Math 295 instead of Applied Honors Math 156. </p>
<p>Now, my high school only offered the calc AB exam which, frankly, found rediculously easy. I want to be a physics major so i figured that all the proofs and what not would make for a very solid background.</p>
<p>After reading some of these posts, however, i want to make sure i didnt make a mistake. I mean i'll be honest, i hated doing geometry proofs. I can't say i have always "loved" math. Maybe it was just the that the math department in my high school was lacking. I mean, i want to like it, i think it would be usefull to like it and to be very good at it.</p>
<p>I just want to make sure someone who was a good student in high school (4.0, 1400+, 5 on calc AB) can do fine (putting in work of course). I dont love math but i am determined to get something out of this course. Am i fine?</p>
<p>"I dont love math but i am determined to get something out of this course."</p>
<p>I didn't really like high school math.</p>
<p>Give it a try? You might love it.</p>
<p>And I'm sorry, but I loved geometry. But it may have been the mix of proofs and the social aspects of the class. Yeah, that's sad.</p>
<p>Physics 260 is unlikely to be any more of a workload than 240, so you may want to consider going back and taking 260 for the higher grades and honors distinctions.</p>
<p>so, how hard is 295 for a natural science major who's forgotten most of the details in BC Calc and hasn't done any proofs?</p>
<p>haha maguo you and I can both suffer in great books, orgo, and 295...good times...
and by suffer I mean party it up</p>
<p>well maguo, 295 is at least somewhat hard for everyone who takes it, no matter what the background. For some, it's extremely hard and that's why about half drop before the semester ends, and only about one third go on to take 296. But don't worry about your background, 295 comes with students from just about any math background you can think of, but is largely blind to this. I remember the first week of class there were students shouting out answers and fighting tooth-and-nail for every question the professor posed, and kids were trying to impress the class with talk of ring theory and ridiculuous crap that didn't matter at all to the content of the class. Such students actually ended up dropping because they often could not keep up, and it was those who did not have an amazing background but loved math and were interested in how the whole proof stuff worked that ended up succeeding. Very few if any incoming students have extensive proof experience (only those who have taken similar college courses or did considerable USAMO preparation), so you're on the same plane with everyone there. However, I will say that there were a couple of students who came from poor math backgrounds without calculus and though such students, if they're really bright, can still succeed, but they're usually just torn apart.</p>
<p>Yeah i would have taken Honors Physics 260 and Honors Math 295 but they are scheduled at the exact same time so you cant take both...which i find pretty stupid considering these math and physics courses are so integrated.</p>
<p>Yeah, that happened last year also. Second semester they won't overlap, but I see you're taking 240 anyway. It's fine if you just do that.</p>
<p>Very interesting... I stumbled on to several of your posts from April 2005. You sure have changed.</p>
<p>Experience imparts wisdom. Last year I wasn't sure whether i was going to take 295 or not because I had heard of how many drop and I wasn't sure pure math was for me, but I'm VERY glad I went for it anyway because it's paid off in many ways, which is why I'm encouraging people to take the course.</p>
<p>U of M is a top choice of mine next year, and I had a few questions regarding the Honors Math track:
- How flexible is the department in letting undergrads take graduate-level classes?
-Does the Keeler Scholarship listed in the Math Department Scholarship page have any bearing on whether you can get any LSA scholarships? (I mean if I apply for the scholarship and get it, does LSA see the award, as well?) Does it help to send the Keeler Scholarship application in early?</p>
<p>Very.</p>
<p>Doesn't seem likely, but perhaps.</p>
<p>1234567890 I expect to see you coming here next year! lol</p>
<p>It seems to be the math department's unofficial policy that they'll let you try anything, and figure if you're not cut out for it you'll fail out/drop. This is especially true if you complete the high Honors math track. Once you finish the introductory math sequence, assuming it's taught rigorously, you'll be ready to tackle the introductory graduate classes. I'm only going to be a sophomore and I'm taking 575, 591, and 596 next term. So yes, they are extremely flexible.</p>
<p>I got scholarships from both LSA and the math department...I'm about 99% sure that they're completely separate processes.</p>
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I think that student dropped because the sequence actually hampered other reqs or something.</p>
<p>hey everyone...i am taking math 295 this semester...w00t!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>heck...should be interesting...oh, and i am taking Honors Physics 160 to boot!</p>
<p>anyways....i look forward to meeting all my classmates</p>
<p>oh...umm Christine....i am rooting for u GIRL...REPRESENT!!!!</p>
<p>i don;t know what it is but being a guy...but i get scared nearly shi*less surrounded COMPLETELY (not an exaggeration) by guys</p>
<p>There's no point in being a girl anymore. Michigan boys apparently don't buy lunch. What's all this about social equality?</p>