Honors Program

<p>This semester (my 2nd) I was invited into the Honors Program based on my first semester's GPA. However, after being in the course for a week, looking through the syllabus and future semesters, I don't know if this is the best thing for me.</p>

<p>Being in this program (and doing well in it) requires I shift my primary academic focus from math/science/gen ed courses to req. honors liberal arts courses that med schools will have a harder time judging the difficulty of. Meanwhile, my overall GPA (and presumed science) will be lower as these honors classes are very intense.</p>

<p>As of now, I'm taking 13 credit hours with the course, and am not sure how I can later pull off 15+ credits and keep as strong a GPA. Furthermore, the last two years of the program will be spent writing a senior thesis, finishing my major reqs. and trying to prepare for MCAT/interviews etc.</p>

<p>I've talked to many people and advisors about what might be the best thing to do, and of course, the same response I get is to choose for myself. I'm hoping I can get some straight answers from people who have been through the motions.</p>

<p>Simply put: Better science and overall GPA in regular coursework/load or lower science and overall GPA in tough coursework/load, but graduating in the 'Honors Program'?</p>

<p>Any help would really mean a lot :)</p>

<p>Thanks Twenty8 for posting this. I am taking honors classes as well, but without officially being in the honors program. What is the difference, and what will one benefit from it?</p>

<p>I'm not in college yet but when I do go and get accepted into an honors class and think that it will bring my GPA down, I'm going to drop that class for the sake of my GPA...why have a 3.3 when you can have a 3.7, I mean what they are going to be looking at is your GPA, that is going to be the first thing to catch medical admissions eye. Imagine if you were looking over applications, you see someone taking honors classes and there GPA is a 3.3 and then you see someone taking non honor classes and there GPA is a 3.7, plus they can join clubs and be very active, while the student taking honors classes will have to spend all there time studying if the class is difficult for them. If the honors class is easy for you then definately take it, but if it seems like you have to put alot of time into it and not much time for anything else I would not take the couse.</p>

<p>Any who has been through the admission cycle have advice? I have to decide this by tomorrow...</p>

<p>What do you get from the program? Is the advising better?</p>

<p>You have an additional Honors advisor (along with my pre-med advisor), but by no means is it better. </p>

<p>You write a thesis in your last year or so and provided you graduate with above a 3.2 (both honors and overall) you have the honors program name on your diploma and transcript. Get above a 3.5 in both and you have "honors with distinction", just to give you an idea of the difficulty.</p>

<p><em>sighs</em> I don't know what I'm going to choose. I keep swaying.</p>

<p>Congratulations twenty8...that was just my opinion(what I posted) but it seems like you really want to take that honors course. Something like this does not happen to many people, so you probably should take the honors program? Good luck :)</p>

<p>Actually, I've decided not to continue with the program, as it will cause too many problems in addition to lowering my overall GPA. I think I'd rather try and have a really strong GPA than have to rely much more heavily on my MCAT score validating my abilities and justifying the lower grades.</p>

<p>Thanks for all the help. :)</p>

<p>Tweety8, the strong presumption that you are making is that you really will get lower grades in that honors program. Keep in mind that there is a world of difference between how difficult the material is in a class and how difficult the grading is in that class. While I obviously don't know anything about your honors program (after all, how could I, you haven't even told us which one it is), I would say that the subject of grading is one that you need to investigate to see whether it really is more difficult to get higher grades in these more intense classes. Often times, it is actually EASIER to get higher grades in more intense classes, because the curve tends to be set higher.</p>

<p>Let me give you an example. Berkeley used to run (and I think still does run) a number of honors versions of many of its intro math/science classes. For example, Honors Physics, Honors Multivariable Calculus, etc. While these classes were undoubtedly taught at a higher theoretical level than the corresponding normal class, it was also true that the curve was set substantially higher, such that many people felt that it was actually EASIER to get a decent grade in an honors class than in the normal class. Basically, the lowest grade given out in an honors class was almost never lower than a C, whereas the normal courses did not hesitate for one moment to give large swaths of students D's and F's. Basically, as long as you kept up with the work and showed that you had some clue about what was going on, you were going to pass the honors class. This was far from certain in the normal class. </p>

<p>As another example, at MIT, Stanford, and Berkeley many graduate students tend to shy away from taking undergraduate-level courses, even though those courses can be used to fulfill some of their course requirements. Instead, graduate students will usually tend to stick with graduate-level courses. Why? It's not just because the graduate-level courses are more advanced and hence will teach them more of what they need for their research. It's also because they know that the graduate-level courses actually tend to be graded EASIER than the undergraduate-level courses are. Graduate-school grading tends to be highly inflated. In fact, one of the 'tricks' that many undergrads learn to boost their GPA is for them to petition to take graduate-level courses in lieu of their undergraduate coursework. </p>

<p>I would also point out that you said that you would be forced to take a bunch of liberal arts classes instead of your science/math courses if you were to enter the honors program and you were concerned that that would mess up your grades. However, I would point out that in general, liberal arts classes tend to be graded substantially easier than math/science courses are. From what I've seen, as long as you do the work in a liberal arts class, you will get a passing grade. However, from what I've seen, in many schools, you can do all the work in a math/science class and still get an F. </p>

<p>So, again, I don't presume to know what is happening at your school. I would just point out that just because a class is highly intense doesn't mean that it's going to be harder for you to get a good grade in that class. In many cases, it may actually be EASIER for you to get a good grade in that class. It really all depends on how the class distributes grades.</p>