How are the violin teachers at USC, Stanford, and Arizona State University?

<p>I'm going to be a high school senior next Fall, and am planning on majoring in music performance on the violin in college. I am hoping to head out to Arizona and California at the end of the summer to try and get some lessons with teachers at Stanford University, University of Southern California, and Arizona State University.</p>

<p>I'm just wondering if anyone knows anything about the violin faculty at any of these schools that might not be apparent from their profiles on the college websites, such as what their teaching styles are or what their personalities are like. I'd just like a little more info about the instructors before I head out to get any private lessons.</p>

<p>Thanks to anyone who might know anything.</p>

<p>“I am hoping to head out to Arizona and California at the end of the summer to try and get some lessons with teachers at Stanford University, University of Southern California, and Arizona State University.”
Why ? Unless you have made prior arrangements with specific instructors, you will find that musicians and teachers at theses 3 universities are usually not there hanging around during the summer.They are elsewhere performing or are on summer vacation.
My advise is to work on your performance technique this summer to prepare for auditions in the Fall and early Spring. To be accepted at USC’s Thorton school of music as music performance major, you will need to audition there, in addition to achieving acceptance at USC . Stanford does not have a separate school of music and does not offer a BM degree. Their music program is weak, compared to many other U’s that have true schools of music or Conservatories, and their music program is not known for producing professional musicians, if that is the career you seek.</p>

<p>AlexOI: I’m sure you were intending to make prior arrangements with instructors for lessons, but with many faculty on holidays and not checking their email regularly, it might be tough to contact some faculty and manage to arrange lessons with those who interest you before summer’s end.</p>

<p>As menloparkmom’s comments suggest, your list of schools seems a bit odd and rather disparate for a violin performance major, but you may, of course, have your reasons. I am assuming that you are an exceptionally strong student academically (given that Stanford and USC form 2/3 of your list) which leads me to question why ASU is on your list. Why not a place like Rice (with stronger academics than USC and a stronger violin program than any of the three you mention)? If San Francisco is within your geographic range and you want to be a violin performance major, why is SFConservatory not on the list? You probably have very good answers to these questions, but I have posed them just in case you do not.</p>

<p>USC has by far the most famous violin teachers of the three schools you mention; several of their faculty members are amongst the best known orchestral and solo performers in the world. </p>

<p>The only teacher from the three schools that my son has worked with is Jonathon Swartz from Arizona State. He is personable and intelligent and it would be difficult to find a student that couldn’t get along well with him.</p>

<p>If USC is a serious consideration for violin performance for you, then your own private teacher should be in the best position to advise you as to which teachers would best meet your particular needs as a student. If your teacher is unable to, then it is quite likely that USC isn’t for you. (To interpret that for any obtuse readers of this post: to gain entrance to USC for violin performance, you need a good violin teacher–the standard of “good” here would mean, amongst many other attributes, that the teacher had some knowledge about the suitability for you of the various USC violin faculty or would possess the contacts that would allow them to gain that knowledge. Even mediocre violin teachers generally know plenty about the likes of Midori, Dicterow and Chalifour.) </p>

<p>You will probably get more pointed advice if you privately contact violinists from this board who have studied at the three school you mention. Most people find it distasteful to offer critical opinions of individuals in a public forum. Consult the lists of schools that the violinists have chosen to attend which are compiled annually.</p>

<p>menloparkmom and violindad: Thank you both for your advice. I am planning on trying to make prior arrangements with teachers at these schools. I realize it will probably be hard to actually get lessons with any of them but I figured it’s worth a try (it’s not like I’m devoting 12 hours a day to making lesson arrangements, so if I can’t get any, it won’t be much of a disappointment).</p>

<p>violindad: Thanks for your advice on where to look for information; I got the idea to make a post here inquiring about the teachers in about a five minute time frame late at night, and so I hadn’t considered that it would be distasteful to post opinions of teachers in a public forum, but I can definitely see why it would be.</p>

<p>Just to clear things up, in case anyone has any additional advice, I live in Oklahoma and ASU would be an easy place to stop en route to California (or on the way back). I got the idea to look there from my dad, a professional cellist with the Tulsa Symphony who said ASU has a good music program.
I am a strong student academically and would like to be educated in something more than just music, and so I’m also considering Stanford, which I assume has at least good violin teachers if not a strong music program.
Also I have a lot of other schools in mind (two in Ohio, four in Illinois, and two in Oklahoma) and there are a fair amount of good music programs around, so I just by chance hadn’t heard much about Rice or SF Conservatory until I’d made a fairly lengthy list.</p>

<p>Great advice, Violindad!</p>

<p>USC Thornton School of Music is over 125 years old. It is now a co-sponsor of the Piatigorsky International Cello Festival in partnership with the Los Angeles Philharmonic.
Midori Goto, holds the Jascha Heifetz Chair in Violin and heads the strings department. She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Letters and has received various awards and honors. </p>

<p>Other faculty: (Biographies can be accessed on the Thornton website, [University</a> of Southern California](<a href=“http://www.uscmusic@usc.edu%5DUniversity”>http://www.uscmusic@usc.edu) .)</p>

<p>Glenn Dicterow—Holder of the Robert Mann Chair of Violin
Alice Schoenfeld–Holder of the Schoenfeld Chair of Violin
Bing Wang
Margaret Batjer
Martin Chalifour
Henry Gronnier
Tien Cindy Wu
Suli Xue</p>

<p>Midori Goto is a USC Distinguished Professor. </p>

<p>Correction: Professor Goto is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, not the American Academy of Arts and Letters.</p>

<p>Others have written about the programs, Stanford doesn’t offer performance (but probably like many top level schools seeks good musicians for its orchestra program), ASU is not a particularly strong music program and on violin I don’t think it is particularly noteworthy, USC has some pretty strong teachers, and is probably the best of the 3.</p>

<p>One thing I would strongly encourage you is if you go to USC, ask for an evaluation rather than a sample lesson (you will probably have to pay for it, but it is well worth it IMO), and see where you are. You are going to need to ask some questions of yourself, I obviously don’t know who you study with, how long you have studied, so this is generic, but here is my advice in a nutshell,:</p>

<p>1)Get an evaluation and ask them how they think your playing matches up against the kids who usually audition there. It is very, very easy in the violin world to be one of the best violinists around, and then find out how rought it is in violin. I think you said your dad was a professional cellist, which gives you an advantage, but with no disrespect meant to your dad, he may not know what is out there entirely, your dad went to music school in a different era, when someone like one of my son’s teachers along the way was a casual high school player, then got into a fairly top notch conservatory, ‘got serious’ there, and came out of school and right into a pretty high level regional orchestra…today, to be blunt, they wouldn’t stand a chance doing what she did, even assuming they could get into a good conservatory, and to get into a decent full time orchestra now…it is a different world out there then what it was 20,30 years ago on violin…kids are getting into the highly competitive programs playing better than graduates did back then in many cases…</p>

<p>With the evaluation, you can see if you are in range, and also see what you need to work on. Someone like a Dicterow is going to charge a lot of money, but it is worth it, because having taught the way he has, at Juilliard and MSM, and being in the NY Phil and seeing what is coming into there, it is worth it. </p>

<p>My advice? USC is a pretty good bellweather in terms of competitive music programs, if they feel you are in range, that is a good sign. If they seem to be saying you aren’t ready yet, or near ready, you might want to rethink your options (for example, you may want to go to USC or Stanford, and instead of performance, major in academics, and play in the school orchestras and take lessons as a non major or minor if they allow it). I know some are going to disagree, but if you aren’t near that level now, catching up is daunting, and while I have heard the story of the person who started late, who went to the less competitive program and then blossomed and went to a great grad program, with the violin it is just such an incredibly competitive instrument where levels are skyrocketing, making up that gap is going to get more and more impossible. </p>

<p>2)If you decide you want to go on, it looks like you will be ready, then start looking for a teacher and program that you think will match you. It could be a great teacher at a ‘lesser’ program (relative levels, not talking major music program and a community college music program), it could be a ‘less’ stellar teacher at a tip top program would work better…keep in mind these are relative levels, and I reiterate the choice of program should be that you could get into the competitive/highly competitive programs but choose something different, for teacher or finances, rather than let’s say Juilliard, a strong program with a great teacher offered you significant aid.</p>

<p>Once you find likely schools, then look at the audition requirements and work out a path to the pre screen and audition. Most schools on violin, for example, have a requirement for solo bach, but in most schools it is contrasting movements, Curtiss asks for a whole sonata or partita. Juilliard wants a piece since 1940, other schools don’t or may not require it…from this, build an audition rep that satisfies all the requirements of the schools you are targeting while minimizing the unique pieces you need to learn (for example, a modern sonata might fulfill the Juilliard modern piece requirement, and a sonata requirement at other schools)…and see where you are with prepping them, CW is you should have your rep decided upon and in good shape by spring of Junior year…pre screens are usually by December1st, then auditions are usually jan-mar, depending on school (some do auditions before the new year, though, which is why you have to check). Lay out landmarks and things you need to do, a path, to make this happen. </p>

<p>3)If there are teachers you are really hot to study with, try and see them, either at a music festival, or sample lessons around the time of audition, just before/during/after. While you don’t have to do this, having a teacher who knows you already is a big plus, because when you audition, you also have to have teachers willing to teach you. A teacher is more likely to pick someone for their studio they know then one they saw for the first time on the audition, all things else equal (and I would argue that a kid who did less well on the audition but knew the teacher would do better in many cases then the kid who played better but the teacher didn’t know; the obvious thing here is degrees of better, not miles of difference:). </p>

<p>I wish you luck:)</p>

<p>I beg to differ on ASU not being a “particularly strong music program” in general. Among other strong points it has one of the top brass programs in the country, has an extraordinary organ program and their voice undergrads regularly go on to the best grad programs in the country. Then again…CC parents LOVE to arbitrarily dish on ASU. It does not take a lot of effort since it’s a big easy target in the desert.</p>