How can it be ?

Applying to College
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<p>Im an international student from India studying in the US
this is what ive heard so far
franklin marshall- waitlist
hamilton- waitlist
skidmore, haverford, macalester, middlebury, connecticut college, - rejected</p>

<p>My ECs are pretty good
recs are excellent,
school i go to is extremely competitive (international school)
my IB predicted grade is 35/42 which is considered to be pretty good. dont know the GPA conversion
classes are very hard
SAT 1 2040
SAT 2 790,770,760</p>

<p>this is what i have so far. i have colgate amherst and vassar left but looking at the trend it's not looking to bright.
also my essay was pretty good and supplements were decent. </p>

<p>i just dont know how i could possible get all these negative responses. any ideas? im probably gonna go back to india and work or something.
thanks</p>

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<p>that sucks! Hard to believe all those schools rejected you with those stats...something about your gpa you're not telling us?</p>

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<p>Do you need money to attend? If so, are the colleges need blind for internationals?</p>

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<p>It's only because you're an international. The competition is very intense for internationals and most U.S. universities aren't very nice to them.</p>

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<p>it is a lot tougher for international students -- both admissions and admits needing financial aid. </p>

<p>Just out of curiosity -- where do you go to school? you say it is international and in the US and I didn't know of any school like that other than the Armand Hammer UWC</p>

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<p>what sort of ECs do you do?
do you know your ranking?</p>

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<p>nevermind the question -- I see that you do attend Armand Hammar. I don't think it is the quality of the school -- the UWC's are excellent schools and well regarded. I think the number of international applicants is just growing the acceptances are really limited.</p>

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<p>As the others have said, admission is tough for intls, the tougher the more fin aid you need. I am valedictorian, have a 34 ACT and decent ECs, and I have been rejected at Hamilton ;)</p>

<p>One of the two schools I was accepted to currently does not enroll any German students, which probably helped my case. Unfortunately, there are numerous Indian applicants at about every "good" American college.</p>

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<p>There is a reason why students like you are having difficulties with college admissions. A whole crop of fraudulent bastards from Korean high schools, with their falsified transcripts, ghost-written essays and recommendations, and completely made-up extracurricular activities are swarming top universities, and to the extent that their admissions to such prestigious schools are rising, opportunities are narrowing for honest, hard-working kids from other high schools, i.e. students like you. </p>

<p>This has been an open secret among Korean international students. Read the following articles for yourself and decide if it requires immediate action from American students and high schools...and the universities. </p>

<p>(1) An extremely representative case of the falsification of "translated" transcripts (in English, created liberally by school administrators eager to send their kids to ivy league schools). Exclusive report by the Hankyoreh, one of the major newspapers in South Korea: </p>

<p><a href="http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/engli...al/175976.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/engli...al/175976.html&lt;/a>
<a href="http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/english_e...al/176484.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/english_e...al/176484.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>(2) SAT scandal in Korea (exams leaked and then provided to students on the eve of their exam)</p>

<p>On how Hanyoung Foreign Language HS's designation as an SAT exam center privilege was revoked + allegations surrounding the incident
<a href="http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/english_e...al/176737.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/english_e...al/176737.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>On how 900 SAT exams by Korean int. students got cancelled after ETS found out that serious breaches were made in the storage of exam packets
<a href="http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/2007...8123410220.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/2007...8123410220.htm&lt;/a>
<a href="http://chronicle.com/news/article/17...ecurity-breach%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://chronicle.com/news/article/17...ecurity-breach&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Just to remind you: A few students from the school in question - btw, most of its peers in Seoul and South Korea did the same thing, but were never caught in their acts - still got into Wharton, Harvard and Princeton. </p>

<p>The only way to take care of this situation? Sue the bastards. Sue the universities. Tell the universities to keep, indefinitely, all the records submitted by Korean high school students and match them with official transcripts that can be provided by Korean government if requested formally. Sue the students for their falsified records. I mean.....70 for A? With that score, the student can't even get into low-ranking universities in Korea. </p>

<p>Btw, the high schools also run SAT CR and Writing prep courses during official classroom hours! This is ****ing illegal but they continue to do so secretly. Imagine this: you are guaranteed excellent recoms and transcripts, can make up any spectacular extracurricular activities at will, and are regularly exempted from standard educational curriculum whenever you want to study for SATs. Your school run SAT prep courses during classrooms, and you don't even have to bother to show up in classes. Your essays are ghost-written by professional admission consultants. Unless you are an absolute idiot, you will get into ivy league schools. It's that simple. </p>

<p>Sue the bastards.</p>

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<p>Wow, minkijohn. Some Korean students are total jerks. I just wish they would close off admission to internationals altogether (I know, it sucks, but..). In other countries, the systems are so completely different. US colleges do a great injustice to these internationals anyway, by refusing financial aid. If I was in Pakistan applying for a U.S. university, I would not have the cash for it. </p>

<p>IMO, U.S. universities are playing games with internationals. Either care about them or don't -- colleges don't give a crap about internationals all that much except that they give $$.</p>

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<p>Murky: some schools with deep pockets offer need-blind admissions for int'l students. That's not very common however. But I don't think you can blame schools for limiting the no. of slots -- they have various communities to serve (scholars, athletes, URMs, legacies, musicians, scientists, activists, etc.) And it's a zero-sum equation. Add more int'l students, decrease ..... what?</p>

<p>I don't think it's an issue of "not caring" about intl students as much as they are lower priority. If you "care" more for them (resources, FA, etc.) some schools have to take it away from their other populations. For public schools, they're mandated to serve a constituency (e.g. University of Michigan, UVA, etc.). </p>

<p>No easy sol'n.</p>

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<p>it's been tougher this year for international students. many singaporean students were rejected from ivies and other good universities. singaporean students generally do well enough to get admission to top universities all over the world. this year is quite an anomaly.</p>

<p>well we can blame it on the dragon babies. most people going to college this year were born in 1988 and the chinese call this the "dragon year". very auspicious year to be born in so obviously there are loads of chinese kids born in 88 coz their parents believe in this stuff.. and loads of chinese kids from all over the world apply to US colleges so there we have it, more competition for those coveted places in US universities.</p>

<p>well all the best!</p>

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<p>minkijohn, you've been spamming the forums with this wherever you see something that has the word international in it. I don't know your motivations for doing so, but I can tell you that it in no way helps the OP, or has any sort of relevance to his/her post. These incidents happened (or so you say) in Korea, the OP's Indian, the International pool encompasses many more countries than Korea. Give it a rest, you've made your point (whatever it was)</p>

<p>to the OP:</p>

<p>Don't lose hope yet! For internationals the process at any top college is very random. I know a person on CC who got rejected from all colleges other than his first choice, Stanford, which isn't even Need-Blind for Internationals! (if you want some more advice come to the Indian Thread in the International Forum; we've all been applying to the US this year with mixed results, and we've accumulated quite a bit of info.</p>

<p>You might also want to read a few stories of people that did get rejected from all colleges they applied to, took a gap year, reworked their college list and had much more successful results the next year. (Andison comes to mind, search for it on this forum)</p>

<p>All the Best! :)</p>

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<p>well i got my last 3 results,
colgate-reject
amherst-reject
vassar- waitlist</p>

<p>im just hoping for the best for my waitlists, lets see how it goes</p>