<p>I have a question: </p>
<p>Why is it that such a low percentage of international students are admitted into the Preferred Admit Program at Ross?</p>
<p>To Mr. Moore,
Thank you for clarifying the information regarding the number of students that will be accepted into the BBA program. It is great to have you as a member and we will value any advice that you offer.</p>
<p>We don't have any target for international students. We read the applications. We rank them. We admit the ones at the top. If there are more international students, then we admit more. If there are less, then we admit less. I could say this exact same thing about any other subgroup you care to bring up. No targets or limits. We admit based on our perception of the quality of the applicant.</p>
<p>Hmm , I see. Still its a bit strange to see a mere 2% of internationals in the Preffered Admit Program in 2006 which would be 2 students.
Perhaps there were fewer applicants. </p>
<p>Thanks for answering!</p>
<p>Mr. Moore,
Just curious how the registration process works for the sophomore students that will be accepted to Ross in June for the 3 year BBA program. I've looked around the Ross site and I saw the classes that they are expected to take sophomore year, but I'm wondering about the actual registration process itself. These students all had to register for other non business classes a few weeks ago because they didn't know if they would be accepted to Ross. Thank you for taking the time to answer questions on CC.</p>
<p>hi Mr Moore,
I am a PA so I am all set. But my friend who's going to be a freshman in the college of engineering is wondering whether engineering students are at a huge disadvantage when applying to Ross since engineering has the toughest grading curves (I believe the average GPA in COE is 0.5 lower than that in the LSA even though engineering admits tend to have better average SAT and HS GPA...and they tend to work more too!!)....so does Ross admission officers consider that when they read apps, and how much consideration would be given if so??? would u say the most of the lower 25th percentile in terms of GPA of those admitted sophomores tend to be engineering majors? </p>
<p>THanks</p>
<p>This is my recollection (you'll have to pardon me if my memory is a little light on this since I haven't thought about this in a year)...</p>
<p>Generally, we pre-register you for some sections of the core courses and put them into your schedule. You then drop the classes that you have that conflict with the core courses unless you are able to find some swap partner (I believe we do this for sophomores --- I know we do it for juniors and seniors) that would make the conflict go away.</p>
<p>I'll look into this and post another message if this isn't correct.</p>
<p>Our academic advisors look over each applicant's schedule and grades and assign an academic strength rating. Our advisors have seen enough schedules from other UM schools to separate difficult schedules from those of students who are coasting. They certainly know that a "B" in one class is equivalent to an "A" in other classes. </p>
<p>So your engineering (or other similar friend from a difficult discipline) need not worry about this type of thing.</p>
<p>It isn't hard to get a 3.3 freshman year in two ways.</p>
<p>If you work hard, you will get at least 3.0 - guaranteed. If you don't take your studies seriously, your high school 4.0 will easily drop to a 3.3</p>
<p>hmm...is advertising a major at umich? and if so, is it part of the Ross school of biz?</p>
<p>Mr. Moore:</p>
<p>I tried asking this question during the campus day ross information session but I did not get a very good answer to it. Could you possibly answer this?</p>
<p>I know that the admissions rate for the BBA program is about 47%...What happens if I do not end up getting into the BBA program? Do I have to look into another major (i.e. Econ)? Or go to another school? </p>
<p>I am guessing that the BBA admissions rate is most likely going to decrease within the next couple of years. To me, it seems a little risky to go to Michigan (since I am OOS) when I have another good business school to choose from (UT - McCombs). I really feel that Ross is the best business program for me and that is why I have decided to go there. I just wanted to know the options that I had if all doesn't go well for me (hopefully, it will all go well :)).</p>
<p>This answer has several parts:</p>
<ul>
<li>There is a class in advertising management offered by the marketing group.</li>
<li>There is not such a thing as an "advertising" major.</li>
<li>You can concentrate in marketing.</li>
<li>Actually, there really aren't official majors at all. </li>
</ul>
<p>You take the classes that you want to take. You can call yourself a "marketing" major on your resume having only taken the marketing intro course. Would you succeed in the marketplace for marketing jobs? I tend to doubt it since you would be compared to other students who might have taken several marketing courses. </p>
<p>If you want to see what courses we do offer you can go to
<a href="http://www.bus.umich.edu/CourseManagement/CourseDescriptions.asp">http://www.bus.umich.edu/CourseManagement/CourseDescriptions.asp</a>.</p>
<p>The admissions rate for the 3-year program is going to be about 30% this year (since we're severely limited on space). BTW, the # of admitted students might (or might not) go up in future years and the # of applications might (or might not) go up (or down, for that matter). So, as they say, past performance is no predictor of future performance (or something like that). Especially right now as we're in this period of transition.</p>
<p>If you don't get into the BBA program and assuming that you stay at UM, you would stay in LS&A (assuming that this is the school you are originally enrolled in) and might major in just about anything. There are lots of people who unsuccessfully applied to the business school (or didn't apply at all!) who are very happy with their UM degree with a major in economics or organizational studies (or history or math or communications or English or...). This is the great thing about UM. Further, you would probably think about taking a course or two from the business school as an LS&A student. </p>
<p>I'm glad that you think that Ross has the best business program for you. I (and a lot of other people) have done a lot to try to make it attractive. Yes, UT/McCombs is a very nice school and lots of people will be very happy with their decision to go there. I have done all that I can to make UM/Ross be the best well-rounded BBA and undergraduate experience.</p>
<p>Am I allowed to take the classes that the PBBA students will be taking in the business school (I am not a PBBA student)? </p>
<p>I think one of these classes includes BE 300, which is specifically set aside for PBBA students. Am I allowed to enroll in that class if get permission from the course instructor?</p>
<p>There is only one Ross class offered to PAs (LHC, writing) and this is only open to Ross students. BE300 is for all Ross sophomores (along with two accounting classes and a business stats/analysis class). Once a student becomes a sophomore, then the distinction between PAs and non-PAs becomes moot. Everyone is considered equal (as they should be and are, in my opinion). Non-Ross students can take any BBA class if he/she can get the professor's permission --- but that's not always the easiest thing to get. And getting into a core class that's set up for BBAs is nearly impossible (unless it's the section that we've set aside for LS&A students).</p>
<p>Is the 30% admissions rate for current freshman or for freshman starting Fall of 2007?</p>
<p>Current freshmen (i.e., rising sophomores). </p>
<p>Anyone who tells you what the rate will be next year doesn't know what they're talking about. It hasn't been decided by anyone. We won't know this until next April (at the very earliest). I can't even predict what it might be so there's no sense in anyone worrying about it.</p>
<p>So according to the blog.. its 30-35% which is a big drop from the 47% last year. Does this mean the average GPA is going to go up and getting in is going to get a lot harder really fast?</p>
<p>Mr Moore ,
I just read the new entries on your blog. Thanks once again for the help and support rendered through these blog posts and here on CC as well.
I have a couple of questions .</p>
<p>You say take classes with professors passionate about their classes. As freshmen , how would we know which professor is passionate about their class or not? </p>
<p>Could you give a few examples on analytic classes? Not that everyone here is going to take them , but just to see a trend and perhaps match it with a class which suits our interest.</p>
<p>I have no idea if the GPA is going to go up this year and I won't until the end of June when we're all done.</p>
<p>But I would be really surprised if it's going to get that much harder to get in that quickly. The rate changed so much this year because our whole structure for accepting applications from UM students changed. We used to accept applications from sophomores. These students had taken Econ101, Econ102, Math115, and one (or both) intro accounting classes. By the time these courses were done, it was pretty clear to students 1) whether or not they were interested in business, and 2) whether or not they could succeed in and would like taking business classes. The result of these two factors was that students self-selected themselves <em>out</em> of applying to business by the end of their sophomore years. There are now fewer classes for convincing students <em>not</em> to apply to Ross, so the end result is that Ross receives more applications. I believe it's currently the case that there are no more students entering UM at the beginning of their freshman year who are interested in business than there were a couple of years ago. The difference in the number of applications is that fewer of these students have been convinced <em>not</em> to apply to Ross. I hope this changes in future years, but I don't believe it has happened yet (though it may have).</p>
<p>Now, in several years if my plan for global domination succeeds (evil laugh echoes off the walls of my imposing castle), then it might be the case that applications will be up because there simply are more students entering UM with a plan for studying business. But I don't think we're there just yet.</p>
<p>So, what does this all mean? To me, it means that students this year competed with basically the same number of UM students that they did in the past --- it's just that more of them hadn't removed themselves from consideration by Ross. </p>
<p>What's the end result of this in the short run? I believe that the UM GPA of admitted students won't change by a significant amount this year; it didn't change much last year. Further, I don't believe that getting into Ross is going to be any harder than it was in the past --- as long as you take into account the fact that we now have a two-phase admissions process. I believe this might have made it slightly more difficult to get in for the average student because we might have (I hope) attracted more highly attractive high school students to apply to Ross simply because they could get in right out of high school. But the data for this certainly isn't in yet. We probably won't have an answer to this question for another couple of years. So, if you assume that half of our preferred admit class are made up of applications from students who would not have applied to or chosen to attend UM/Ross without the PA program, then that would mean that we have 50 fewer spots for our usual set of (historically, very high quality) applicants. Given that, you might think that next year it would be harder to get into Ross.</p>
<p>But have you considered the fact that we have already thought through this and might be thinking of increasing the size of the BBA Program? If that were to happen, then it might not end up being any more difficult to get into Ross than it was before --- it might just end up being a larger (really high quality) program than it was before.</p>
<p>So, don't despair. Just do what you think you should do. Continue to get advice. But do what you can to ensure that your record is high quality, apply to the program, and let the chips fall where they may. You won't help anything by worrying about this type of detail.</p>
<p>And that's my $0.02 --- actually, more like $0.87. (This is probably going to find its way into my blog. It's too long to let it disappear.)</p>