<p>is there a legacy program?</p>
<p>First, you have to remember that this was 30+ years ago. Women weren't even allowed and admissions were different. But yes, all ivys give some weight to legacy, and Bush was definitely in that catagory. This isn't a serious question, is it?</p>
<p>He also got into Harvard Business School, without legacy. His SAT scores and GMAT scores were actually pretty good for the time period (when Yale and Harvard's averages were much lower than they are today). He must have lost some brain cells post-Harvard somehow.</p>
<p>enough Bush bashing...this should be done in the cafe...our beautiful yale board should not be polluted with such negative talk</p>
<p>yes please....i strongly support bush and even I'm getting tired talking about him on this forum.</p>
<p>Breeze, legacy isnt a critical factor in B-school. Connections are, Harvard even admits it to this day (and it was much worse in the past). If you come from a wealthy background, they know you will be an asset to the school so they admit you. A guy in my Dartmouth class who is crazy wealthy just got into Harvard, even though he had a 680GMAT and 3.2 in college. How? He got a top job that daddy hooked up for him, which is a direct route in.</p>
<p>Work experience is certainly a large factor. However your friend got the job, he did have a top job I suppose. And 680 is a fairly decent GMAT. Anything over 650 gets you at least considered at Harvard/Stanford/Wharton/Tuck/MIT if the rest is strong.</p>
<p>Connections are worth more at Yale than legacy ever will be. The Bushes probably put through (or agreed to put through) a jumbo-sized donation (possibly in the millions), and so George Dubya got admitted. And while Yale likes normal legacies, the last thing they need is another alumni sending a 100$ (or even a $1000) check each year, who wants to send their mediocre son/daughter to their alma matter.</p>
<p>Joey</p>
<p>Couldn't it just be possible that Yale saw that through his father's success that George W. would probably follow the same successful career. I seriously doubt that Bush was simply admitted becuz of a donation. I have a feeling that Yale knew that Bush would be well known and Yale's name would once again be mentioned across the nation.</p>
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Couldn't it just be possible that Yale saw that through his father's success that George W. would probably follow the same successful career. I seriously doubt that Bush was simply admitted becuz of a donation. I have a feeling that Yale knew that Bush would be well known and Yale's name would once again be mentioned across the nation.
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<p>That too. Famous dad could definitely equal famous kid. However, people are DEFINITELY admitted because of jumbo donations. And George Dubya's SAT scores weren't all that bad - he definitely fell into the "admissible" category, provided the right strings were being pulled in his favor.</p>
<p>Joey</p>
<p>One word: Money.</p>
<p>Also, when George W. Bush applied Yale's admissions were very different. His 1300ish (recentered) SAT score was not that low for Yale and the fact that he went to Andover and was a legacy and was really rich (although a lot more Yalies were really rich around that time) and had a marginal understanding of English was more enough to get him accepted. Probably one of those factors would have been enough to get him accepted at the time he applied.</p>
<p>Bear in mind that Bush himself has spoken out against the whole Legacy thing, despite being an admitted beneficiary of it.
And yes, enough Bush bashing.</p>
<p>besides, who looks like the dummy now? Yale? I don't think so....</p>
<p>it's not only about grades...guess they had a lot of foresight in admitting Prez Bush</p>
<p>that is not true he got a 1240 or so and its equivalent to a low to mid 1300 score. it was low for yale even in that day. my uncle went in the 70s where the average was 1400 or so. my stat teacher took the SATs in 1970s and her 1510 is equivalent to a 1590. a 1240 back then was still not above average let alone average</p>
<p><strong>he was a failing student at andover</strong> just to let u know. he ended up graduating with a C- average</p>
<p>breeze - the bush family was a well-known and highly distinguished/recognized family. his father's high connections helped him get into harvard business school. he graduated yale as a C student he got 2 DUIs around this time period. he was a huge partier and loved to have fun =D which isnt a bad thing of course</p>
<p>Three cheers for the socially normal!!!</p>
<p>By the '70s Yale's admission policies had already changed drastically to make it much more of a meritocracy. Bush was on the tail end of the good old days of Yale admissions where it was much easier to get in based on social status and attending the right schools and being the son of the right people. While Yale was also admitting people based on merit, people like Bush, and I am sure there were many admits that were even more shocking than Bush, were admitted all the time.</p>
<p>Not only was George W. Bush's father prominent, so was his grandfather --> Prescott Bush, a US Senator from Connecticutt. At the time he applied to Yale and Harvard Business School it was obvious that he was from a very wealthy and and very prominent family. His stats were acceptable if a bit lame by more modern standards. I don't think a big donation would have been specifically necessary. It would have been enough to be from such a well-placed and well-known family, combined with not being a total academic loser.</p>
<p>Good call, coureur. And despite protests to the contrary, it's worked out well because it's never a bad idea to matriculate a future President of the United States. Yale has a good track record in that area!</p>
<p>"that is not true he got a 1240 or so and its equivalent to a low to mid 1300 score. it was low for yale even in that day. my uncle went in the 70s where the average was 1400 or so. my stat teacher took the SATs in 1970s and her 1510 is equivalent to a 1590. a 1240 back then was still not above average let alone average</p>
<p><strong>he was a failing student at andover</strong> just to let u know. he ended up graduating with a C- average
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<p>C- is not failing, F is. 1240 is above average even today, because 1000 is AVERAGE</p>