<p>***?
how did this happen?
it seems that the trend is that low scores, ok GPA, ok EC’s = IN, Excellent Everything (maybe not so-so great ECs) = Not In</p>
<p>i know. I'm kinda upset by that...
ridiculous that people with 1900s sat i got in wharton. no offense</p>
<p>define great EC's, were they like, nat'l ranked? cos the only ec's i have are like, talbe tennis, pres. of 3 clubs</p>
<p>all im saying is, this was my no.1 school but i got denied. its really depressing to hear that after getting >2220 on the SATs, and >750 on SAT IIs and top 6-7% i still get no chance at Wharton/Penn</p>
<p>i wonder how these ppl get really good job placement when they arent really all that smart...(<em>MIT ppl are the ones who should be getting awesome job placement, they are actually hard working</em>)</p>
<p>wharton11, i completely know how you feel. wharton is one of my top schools now and in the past two years we've sent two complete dumbasses to wharton. i too have >2200, >3.9 GPA, and amazing leadership, and i probably won't get in. and i'll be angry. believe me, you're not alone.</p>
<p>thanks man. but seriously, do you know what it feels like to feel so proud of applying to Wharton and bragging to everyone about it and then getting flat-out rejected? </p>
<p>How can you possibly tell anyone that you have these great stats and you got denied? </p>
<p>It feels terrible. I sure hope April has something good to offer :(</p>
<p>i, too, hope april has something good to offer, but i'm doubting it. what's the acceptance rate for wharton RD? it's probably something insanely low...</p>
<p>Well, the people that did get in with those scores might have had something else appealing, let's say an amazing essay, recs, and other hooks. On the other hand, they could have other advantages such as donors, extreme legacy, parents in the faculty/staff, etc. </p>
<p>However, you shouldn't brag to people that you applied to any college. For one, if you get rejected, you look cocky (well cockier than when you bragged) and stupid. Second of all, you can never predict the application process for such prestigious universities. Making overconfident assumptions is not a good idea.</p>
<p>"thanks man. but seriously, do you know what it feels like to feel so proud of applying to Wharton and bragging to everyone about it and then getting flat-out rejected?"</p>
<p>Call it Darwinist Karma. You probably shouldn't have been bragging in the first place -- perhaps the attitude made it through to the app. Who knows... usually you celebrate <em>after</em> the guarantee of good news, not before it. Good scores are just not enough. Time has shown this again, and again, and again. The people who got in with low scores could have probably gotten in with higher scores as well -- it's not like having good scores holds you back. It just isn't enough by itself. It's holistic evaluation after all. </p>
<p>If you were a college admissions officer, would you want to just accept people who scored well on some test (let's face it, it isn't the hardest thing in the world)? Or would you try to look at everything to see what kind of person you're actually admitting? </p>
<p>"Winners forget they're in the race. They just love to run."</p>
<p>Remember, SAT scores go up as family income goes up. It should not shock anyone that richer kids go to private group classes and 1 on 1 tutoring. This preparation can up your score 100-200 points. If a student is poor, the only prep s/he can really do is on his/her own (which may be borrowing an SAT book from the library and doing practice problems and memorizing the vocab list at most). Other kids don't have time to study for personal reasons, so their only real prep is the PSAT. It is amazing to get a 2250+ on the SAT with such little prep, and really shows that a person is truly smart. You could always ask the kids who got into Wharton with <2000 SATs what their income level is and/or how much aid they got. If they are fairly welathy (but not wealthy enough to donate buildings to bolster weak apps) then I don't know what to say.</p>
<p>to address a previous comment I made regarding bragging</p>
<p>I did not, by any means, mean to say i was bragging like "oh man i cant wait till i get in, "yeah im probably gonna get in" "woo hoo, Wharton '11 baby!"</p>
<p>I did not mean any of that</p>
<p>What I did mean however, was that I told a lot of people that I applied to Wharton. Bragging is the wrong word choice, sorry. It should be "told a whole bunch of people and got their hopes up, along with mine" I knew from the beginning it would be tough, but never did I know that the hard work i have done all along would get me no where.</p>
<p>Thats all I have to say. Its depressing. But I guess there are always good schools taht I could go to, or transfer into Wharton from.</p>
<p>I would appreciate your feedback on such a case. Thank you.</p>
<p>Wharton11--You will see that people with 2300+ scores also got in. I think essays play a huge role. I think most of the people with 2250+ become overconfident and let that show in their essays. The adcoms become a little annoyed at their overconfidence and they don't come off as really nice people.
SAT scores also don't mean anything. I will use myself as an example. I got a 690 in math but still got into engineering. However, my math and science ggrades were outstanding and I got 5s on my AP science exams. Also, I took university (not community college) courses in high level math and got As. They take a holistic view. Scores on one test don't mean much.</p>
<p>Essays are really important. The more unique, the better. If you can read through one and only see yourself as the only possible author, then you've chosen the right topic.</p>
<p>Essays are only the tipping factor if you're on the edge. They don't make or break you, so don't think that your essays will make up for bad grades or anything.</p>
<p>The most important part of your app is your transcript, which kinda explains why I got deferred.. I'm only top 10% of my class. I kinda hoped that my essays would push me over the top.. and they really were wonderful... but there is no one aspect in your app that is the ONLY thing. It's definitely a holistic view.. which is both an advantage and a disadvantage.
My advice to you Wharton11 is to stop being so emotionally attached to something that is never going to happen. I'm sorry to be blunt, but thinking about it is going to hurt even more.
I was deferred, but I even refuse to be too hopeful..it'll drive me crazy!</p>
<p>True venus, essays are only a tipping factor, but so many applicants are on the edge that it is a huge tipping factor. Most topics are overdone, so instead of trying to be original in your topic, use your average topic and present it in a unique way. Penn will try to mold it's class by having racial, soceoeconomic, regional, and intellectual diversity. Then they will try to meet all of their quotas, as in X qualified minorities, all the legacies whose parents donate a **** load of cash, top kids from prep schools that have good relationships with Penn, etc. Once they fill up all those seats, the real crapshoot happens as they try to pick X kids out of a huge pool. </p>
<p>Venus, just get straight As this semester. You were deferred, probably for your grades. That means that everything else was probably solid, but htey want to see that you can handle the tough course load. Either that, or they felt that you were a solid applicant, but they just did not want you for whatever bs reason the came up with, but they do not want to discourage you from applying to other top schools.</p>
<p>Here's an example study for you guys to mull over:</p>
<p>White male
SAT I: ~1950
wGPA: ~90/100
Courseload: Think 2-3 APs max over all 4 years of HS
ECs: Founder/President of FBLA, which does next to nothing in my school, varsity football/baseball (nowhere close to a star)</p>
<p>Me (asian male)
SAT I: 2360
wGPA: ~94/100
Courseload: 12 APs taken by graduation, all high AP exam scores
ECs: NHS treasurer, 350+ hours volunteering at a well-known nationwide charity's warehouse, founder/president of a web design club, multiple academic awards, experience founding/running own web design/hosting company</p>
<p>In addition, my essays were (imho) spectacular because I actually spent 6 f'ing weeks at penn.</p>
<p>Both applied to wharton. He got in, I got deferred.</p>
<p>Life sucks.</p>
<p>^^^^^ that is crap</p>
<p>Hey People!!!!
It's Not Crap.....
I Can Assure You That The People Who Get Into Wharton Are Qualified In Their Field.....wharton=business....i Can Assure You That Guy/girl Must Have Done Something Sick That Shows A True Passion For Business.....
Stop Worrying About Why This Person Got In/ And How Unfair Your Decision Was...get A Life!! (maybe That's Why They Didn't Accept You)!</p>
<p>yea, but it still stings if you know that someone less qualified got in over you</p>
<p>Finance, you have no idea what you are talking about.</p>
<p>Did you know that most Penn athletes are in Wharton and not somewhat less selective Penn colleges?</p>
<p>I should get a life because I posted once in a thread that's relevant to my situation? </p>
<p>Obviously, that's why they didn't accept me. </p>
<p><em>Ignores ethnicity and a weak connection the guy had with the admissions office (uncle or some other friend works there)</em></p>