How difficult is Michigan out of state? What other colleges would you compare it to?

Colleges and Universities A-Z University of Michigan
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<p>For example, UMich OOS acceptance is the about the equivalence of an acceptance from X college.</p>

<p>I realize it is a speculative question, I just want to know your opinions</p>

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<p>I’d say about as hard as UCLA or UCSD OOS, maybe about the same as Berkeley instate?</p>

<p>Maybe slightly harder than UT OOS, or maybe about the same. It’s probably not too far off from UT.</p>

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<p>Would you say UVA OOS is harder? Or would they be on about the same level…?</p>

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<p>Probably about the same.</p>

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<p>With all do respect to QwertyKey, I think UCLA is much harder to get into OOS than Michigan. I would go as far to say that UCLA is harder to get into Instate than it is to get into Michigan OOS, and getting into Berkeley Instate is without a doubt harder to get into than Michigan OSS. </p>

<p>Its is difficult to compare IS vs OOS acceptances in the way you want, but just know it is difficult.</p>

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<p>“With all do respect to QwertyKey, I think UCLA is much harder to get into OOS than Michigan. I would go as far to say that UCLA is harder to get into Instate than it is to get into Michigan OOS, and getting into Berkeley Instate is without a doubt harder to get into than Michigan OSS.”</p>

<p>The average test scores at UCLA and UMich are about the same, and they’re not much lower than Berkeley. In thinking about it, UCLA has a lot fewer OOS students than UMich does, so I will concede that your right there, but instate I highly doubt. Same average stats but UCLA has more of a bias towards instate kids than Michigan.</p>

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<p>As an applicant who experienced both school’s decision waves, I personally think it’s a lot harder to get into UCLA as an OOS. Agreed with WolfPackfan~</p>

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<p>Of course the UCs are harder to get into from OOS. They take a lower % of students from OOS and they are in a state with over three times the population of Michigan. UVA and UNC are also harder to get into OOS. Here they take a lower % of students from OOS and they are much smaller schools.</p>

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<p>so why is michigan considered a better school than UNC and UCLA?</p>

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<p>I’ve always considered it to be about equal to both.</p>

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<p>“so why is michigan considered a better school than UNC and UCLA?”</p>

<p>They are all three peers. I feel UCLA is more on par with Michigan than UNC though. UNC is relatively weak in the hard sciences. Michigan isn’t weak in anything it teaches. Having smaller student bodies and harder admissions for OOS students is not, in my opinion, the main criteria of what makes a school great. To me it’s about the academics. This is why I say that only Berkeley is an all around better academic institution in this country than Michigan.</p>

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<p>It is unfair to compare Cal with Michigan. They have very diffirent admissions models. Cal is the flagship university of a state that is almost 4 times more populous that Michigan. To make matters worse, Cal’s and UCLA’s Freshman classes are significantly smaller than Michigan’s (4,300 vs 6,000). As such, the odds of getting into Cal and UCLA are generally worse. This said, we would be comparing apples to oranges.</p>

<p>1) Cal and UCLA’s application are part of the common UC application. Many underqualified applicants who apply to UCSC, UCR, UC Merc etc… tick the Cal and UCLA boxes for the hell of it. Most residents who apply to Michigan are generally at least good students, which is not the case with Cal and UCLA. The applicant pool to Michigan is generally more self-selected and probably more consistantly strong than the applicant pool to Cal and UCLA.</p>

<p>2) Cal and UCLA aim for a huge transfer class each year. Last year, 2,300-3,200 students transfered into Cal and UCLA, compared to just 900 at Michigan. It is generally acknowledged that Cal and UCLA transfer standards are far looser than their Freshman admissions standards.</p>

<p>Still, if one compares the stats of enrolling Freshmen at Cal, Michigan, UCLA, UVa and UNC, they are almost identical, so the quality of students who are admitted and who enroll is virtually identical:</p>

<p>Graduated among the top 10% of their High School Class:
Cal: 98%
UCLA: 97%
Michigan: 92%
UVA: 89%
UNC: 80%</p>

<p>Average graduating GPA:
Cal: 3.9 (I am not sure if this is weighed or not)
Michigan: 3.7.5 (unweighed)
UCLA: 4.24 (weighed)
UVA: 4.11 (weighed)
UNC: 4.47 (weighed)</p>

<p>Mid 50% SAT:
Cal: 1230-1470 (1350 average)
UVA: 1230-1440 (1335 average)
Michigan: 1230-1430 (1330 average)
UNC: 1210-1410 (1310 average)
UCLA: 1170-1410 (1290 average)</p>

<p>Mid 50% ACT:
Cal: N/A
University of Virginia: 27-32 (29.5 average)
Michigan: 27-31 (29 average)
UNC: 26-31 (28.5 average)
UCLA: 24-31 (27.5 average)</p>

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<p>I think that you should also take into account the % of OOS attending. U of Michigan takes approx. 35% while UNC, UCLA UT take a much lower % that is a huge factor in the process alongside of stats.</p>

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<p>So, what PRIVATE colleges would you compare OOS admissions at Michigan to?</p>

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<p>yes im wondering the same thing. is it much easier then northwestern/chicago?</p>

<p>bumppp.</p>

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<p>I don’t know how you’d define much but it’s definitely easier.</p>

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<p>Adjusted for superscoring, I would say the calibre of admitted and enrolling OOS students is not that different from the calibre of Chicago and NU students, but the acceptance rate for OOS students is most likely over 30% at Michigan, compared to the overall acceptance rate of 25% at NU or Chicago.</p>

<p>According to the USNWR, Michigan’s selectivity ranking is #21 in the nation (obviously higher for OOS students). Chicago and Northwestern’s selectivity ranking is tied at #15 in the nation. </p>

<p>In terms of selectivity, Michigan is considered “most selective” by most publications, including the USNWR. Michigan is one of the 25 most selective research universities in the nation. In terms of the quality of the student body, I would say it is definitely among the top 20.</p>

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<p>In other words, getting into Michigan out of state is selective. You have to be a good student in order to get in. It isn’t the most selective school in the nation, but you certainly must be a top student in your class with 1800+ SAT scores. </p>

<p>If you want to know the stats of out of state students who are getting in, go over to official decisions thread. That should give you a good idea of what you should have.</p>

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<p>I’ve already gotten in, I applied EA and got in with a 31 ACT score back in December. I’m just wondering what an acceptance to Michigan OOS means for my chances at some other schools. I am also trying to determine the caliber of Michigan in general, in an effort to see if it is worth the 50K OOS tuition…</p>

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<p>jackdaniels, Michigan’s caliber is top notch (great campus, awesome facilities, world-class faculty, infinite academic offerings, top-ranked departments across the academic spectrum etc…). Of course, if you are concerned about cost, why not go to UT-Austin? At $20,000/year, only HYPSM are worth spending $50,000/year.</p>