How do Admission Officials Decipher Your Transcript?

<p>Today in The New York Times' "The Choice," Ann McDermott, director of admissions at College of the Holy Cross in Worcester, MA, explains how her college ... and many others ... scrutinize high school transcripts and use the information they find there. See How</a> One College Evaluates a Transcript - The Choice Blog - NYTimes.com</p>

<p>I found the column helpful, albeit a bit too generic. If it had been me writing it, I'd take several of the bullet items a step or two further. For instance, "An effortless A is not as impressive as a hard-earned B or C" is standard fare, but I also warn my advisees that many of their "competitor applicants" (at least at the more selective colleges) will have earned all A's and in all the top classes. So while this advice is true in theory, the reality can be somewhat different. However, it is important for students to be undaunted by one bad grade (although even this can be a potential deal-breaker at the uber-selective spots, depending on the candidate's other strengths). </p>

<p>One piece of related advice I'd like to add to "The Choice" column is that every transcript arrives in admission offices accompanied by a "School Profile." (Ann McDermott mentions this, but some readers won't know what she means.) This profile lists information about the high school's course offerings and about its ranking, grading, and GPA-calculation policies. It often includes demographic data about the school and surrounding community, the percentage of seniors who go on to two- and four-year colleges and, commonly, which schools they attend. </p>

<p>I always urge high school seniors and their parents to take a look at the profile that their guidance office sends out. I tell them to ask themselves if the information is clear and if it covers everything that requires explanation. For example, some high schools restrict the number of Advanced Placement classes that a student can take in a semester .. or overall. If this is your high school, does the profile point this out? Are all AP Honors, Advanced, Accelerated (etc.) classes noted on the profile? (Some high schools have classes that "everybody knows" are honors classes, but it doesn't say so in the course title.) If any classes are not designated AP or Honors but have restricted admission (based on previous grades, test scores or teacher recommendation) is that in the profile, too? </p>

<p>When admission officials are already very familiar with a high school, then the published profile may take a back seat to other information they've gathered elsewhere. But when the high school is less well known, the particulars on the profile can really help admission committees to evaluate a candidate in the context of what was available to him or her. So make sure the one that your school uses is thorough and clear. And, if you think it's not, ask your school counselor to explain discrepancies in the letter of reference.</p>

<p>Finally, if you read "The Choice" today, be sure to click on the accompanying graphic. Here you'll see an excerpt from a typical admission office "vote sheet" or "tally sheet" (called different things at different colleges). Note all the data that's compressed into this small space and that will be part of the big picture that admission officials will consider before issuing a final verdict. I think that this little show-and-tell offers a helpful glimpse into what goes on behind closed doors ... perhaps even more so than the article that accompanies it.</p>

<p>How accessible are those vote sheets to applicants trying to make sense of why they where rejected? And do you think they should be?</p>

<p>Good question, Balthezar. </p>

<p>I’ve never heard of a college that shows vote sheets to applicants. And, depending on how a particular college conducts its assessment process, then the vote sheets themselves may–or may not–include revealing information.</p>

<p>Some vote sheets only include data about which the student is already aware … number of AP/honors classes, grades, rank, minority status, test scores, etc.</p>

<p>Some may include a rating from a coach, where applicable … which is one detail that the candidate may not know. </p>

<p>Evaluative comments may also appear on this sheet … or elsewhere. So depending on the college policy, the vote sheet could be meaningful to rejected candidates … or not. </p>

<p>I agree that it would be helpful … especially for prospective transfers … to know where you “went wrong,” if it’s not obvious (like that “F” in senior English :frowning: ). But you also might be surprised to learn that even applicants who are denied admission may have received entirely positive comments on paper (e.g., “Challenges himself,” “Liked by teachers and students,” “Nice sense of humor in essay”). Yet when the final votes are compiled, this applicant may have too many test scores and grades that don’t pass muster or may simply be too far from the top of a highly competitive pool.</p>

<p>Ooooo. I love that there’s a space to acknowledge receipt of a thank-you!</p>

<p>thank you for clarification of that graphic: for some reason I thought this was a transcript…</p>

<p>Thanks for the quick reply Sally. Another question I had regarding my son’s application to several colleges of engineering is how do the AdComs use the profile to rank schools that don’t rank, and since my son goes to a school that only has a graduating class of 55 seniors (he thinks he’s in the top 5 btw) and 34 of them have sent in applications to the state’s flagship, how do the AdComs deal with that?</p>

<p>When a high school doesn’t rank, colleges rely on other information which includes the combination of grades and test scores, their own past history of acceptances from that high school–if there is one, information about the GPA of other students in the class, if available (for instance, some high schools that claim not to rank will still send colleges materials such as graphs that show where an applicant’s cumulative GPA falls in relation to that of classmates. In fact, occasionally high schools do this for every class … not for the cumulative GPA). Anecdotal information from references can be useful, too (“Although we don’t rank here at John Belushi High School, I can say with conviction that Fred is one of the brightest students I’ve encountered during my 25-year career and certainly at the top of this senior group …”).</p>

<p>In your son’s case, the flagship U is probably very accustomed to seeing applications from your son’s high school, and can check the history to see where they usually draw the line between students they admit and deny. Those lines can be flexible, depending on a range of factors, but at least the college officials will have a starting point based on past experiences with this high school.</p>

<p>I’m not a huge fan of high school ranking to begin with, and I think it’s a particularly good idea that small schools like your son’s don’t rank. In a particularly strong class, there may just be fractions of points that separate #1 from #15, yet the former becomes the valedictorian while the latter isn’t even in the top two deciles.</p>

<p>Very helpful. Also helpful: the University of Michigan makes its rating sheet and a detailed description of its process for evaluating applications available online:</p>

<p>[Office</a> of Undergraduate Admissions: Application Review](<a href=“http://www.admissions.umich.edu/prospective/prospectivefreshmen/appreview.php]Office”>http://www.admissions.umich.edu/prospective/prospectivefreshmen/appreview.php)</p>

<p>While the particulars might vary from college to college, I suspect the categories they use are going to be broadly similar to those used at other selective instutitions.</p>

<p>Do the AdComs usually include members of the college that the applicant is applying to? And/Or are applicants on the bubble sent to the college for final determination?</p>

<p>so visiting a school helps? that’s utter BS…</p>

<p>It just favors those who are close or those with the assets to travel.</p>

<p>^^^ I don’t think you should look at it that way, cacciato. I think it would be used more to weed out those who live close by and didn’t bother to visit/interview/etc.</p>

<p>Not all schools track interest (Harvard for instance assumes you’re interested and doesn’t care about contacts). If you can’t visit it may pay to find other ways to convince the admissions office of your interest. I know for a fact (because our GC asked) that a couple of years ago GW passed over a stronger student in favor of one with lower stats because the stronger student didn’t visit.</p>

<p>Cacciato ^^as said by the above two posters. Some colleges don’t measure interest, others do. There are other ways to express interest if you cannot visit. Most colleges have the question Why X? or some method of ascertaining if a student has genuine interest. In this day and age of kids applying to 10, 12 or more colleges I suspect that “some interest” or “some knowledge” of where one is applying can be gleaned even with the push button common app for those schools that do care that one has some interest in the unique aspects of that particular college even when a visit is not possible. There is a reason every student chooses to apply to a particular college. That is the essence of “interest.”</p>

<p>Can you elaborate on why they ask about the HS’s competitive environment? I understand that it’s a good sign if the top-level student is able to achieve even if she/he attends a school where many do not go to college, but what if a large % of the students do go to college? How would that matter?</p>

<p>It just shows the competency of your high school. And through that, they can determine the actual “weight” of the grades you’ve actually received. If only two people out of your graduating class goes onto College and you made solid 100s in every single class, they are going to try to find another factor to gauge your academic achievement rather than jumping to conclusion that you are a very good student.</p>

<p>One of the posters on that New York Times article asks a question that I’ve been wondering. “Janet” asks how a student should go about addressing if their one mistake of bad grades (in a semester or a grade level) is caused by an outside force rather than just the student being distracted (as in family issue, trauma, psychological etc.) </p>

<p>How SHOULD the student go about it?</p>

<p>One of my concerns is that my school is small and we have, one, unexperienced counselor who is moving at the end of this year. I have no idea who our new counselor will be and he or she may even be straight out of school. My real concern here is that my transcript makes absolutely NO sense. My school is just going to send very basic information–if any information at all. So…they’ll look at the profile and see “no AP classes,” and “students take only 4 classes a semester.” Then they’ll see me, a student with 5 APs, upwards of 12 courses listed per year, and just plain odd things like a 1/2 credit AP Calculus BC course and 4, 16-week Spanish classes listed for 1 academic year, with an altogether different math sequence than the school’s profile lists. A 4.0 is a 96+, and even this point is mentioned.</p>

<p>Is there anything I can do about this? I’m afraid it would take at least 2 pages of typed information to explain it. Should I just let a 4.5 w, 3.6 un, 5/67 speak for itself and not try to confuse the matter?</p>

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<p>This is where the “Additional Information” section of the Common Application (and many others) can come in handy. Students can use this space to elaborate on family problems or other issues that have affected grades. If there is no Additional Info section (or if you’ve already maxed it out for another purpose … e.g., submitting the synopsis of a research project), then it’s fine to send a letter or supplemental essay via snail mail to explain the issue. </p>

<p>When you do so, here are a few tips:</p>

<p>–Be sure that your “problem” will appear sufficiently problematic in the context of applicant pools. For instance, if you were stressed out because you had to share a room with your two younger brothers for six months while your house was being remodeled, it may have been annoying indeed, but admission officials will find your saga less compelling than those from students who lived in homeless shelters or survived chemotherapy</p>

<p>–**Don’t allude to “problems” such as “health problems” or, especially “mental health problems” without providing details. Otherwise admission officials will only guess at your issues and will undoubtedly misconstrue them and most likely inflate them. **If your problems were indeed very serious and thus not really inflatable (e.g., you were hospitalized after a suicide attempt), many counselors might tell you to keep that information under your hat, but I feel that you’re better off revealing it. It may lead to some discrimination against you in the admissions process (though the admission folks won’t concede this), but ultimately, you are more likely to end up at a college that is understanding of your situation and where you can get whatever ongoing support you need. </p>

<p>–Before revealing all the skeletons in your closet, ask yourself if your “bad” grades are really bad. Unless suspension or criminal charges are attached, you are usually not required to reveal personal troubles to admission committees. If an otherwise straight-A student gets a “B” in math after a battle with substance abuse, it may not be wise to spill the beans, especially if your problem is in check now.</p>

<p>–Be sure to explain that your problems are now behind you and that you have moved on (cite as evidence your improved grades) or–if the problems persist–explain how you are dealing with them now and how you plan to continue to do so in college. Although in theory colleges are not supposed to deny admission to applicants based on a disability, in reality colleges don’t have to explain why they send out those unwelcome thin letters. So be sure to weigh information before disclosing it and then–if you do disclose–try to assure admission committees that you won’t be bringing a problem to campus that will have a negative impact on their campus community.</p>

<p>^^how bad do the grades have to have fallen to use the additional info section for explanation re: hospitalization for physical illness…? for example, if all final exams were affected?</p>

<p>edit: would half a letter grade across the board suffice or would that seem petty? (i.e. 3.3 GPA for that year v 3.6 just for example)</p>

<p>Sally_Rubenstone said “I’m not a huge fan of high school ranking to begin with, and I think it’s a particularly good idea that small schools like your son’s don’t rank. In a particularly strong class, there may just be fractions of points that separate #1 from #15, yet the former becomes the valedictorian while the latter isn’t even in the top two deciles.” </p>

<p>No kidding. Our 450 senior student HS has a group of grade whores goaded on my grade inflation that has made the competition for valedictorian a joke around the kitchen table. Both my kids are <em>way</em> out of the running, daughter at #9 with a weighted gpa of 4.47, and son at #15 with a weighted gpa of 4.39
A 4.5 gpa or so will take the prize.</p>

<p>My son in particular gets kidded a lot, because two years of AP classes taken in middle school do not count towards the GPA, and neither do the upper level undergraduate math and science classes he has been taking for a couple of years at the local university.</p>

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<p>I think that there is a lot of wiggle room here and the answer depends on many related factors. Typically, for instance, a drop from a 3.6 to a 3.3 doesn’t warrant explanation and providing one might sound petty.</p>

<p>But, on the other hand, if the student had to overcome significant obstacles during that period (death of a parent or sibling, homelessness, catastrophic illness, etc.) then the information is worth reporting to colleges. In fact, this is often true, even if there’s NO drop in grades (i.e., it would be worthwhile for colleges to know that a student maintained a consistent GPA even in the face of tragedy).</p>

<p>On the other hand, if the problem that affected the grades is one that might have a negative impact on admission outcomes (e.g., clinical depression, substance abuse), then the student may be well advised to only report it if the grade drop is severe enough to raise flags with admission committees anyway. (But, again, as I noted earlier, often it’s wise to report serious illnesses, even if it means risking acceptance, in order to be sure that those colleges that do say yes are those places where the student will receive required support.)</p>