<p>1) How do colleges know how many CS hrs you have served?</p>
<p>2) How do they know you've been this and that (President, Member) of a club during HS?</p>
<p>3) If you say, they get the info from the school, well what if I BS-ed that info to the school too?</p>
<p>just be honest in your application. if you make up leadership roles or community service (for example, student council president and 600 cs hours) the admissions people will probably be able to tell, because your cs hours/great leadership would probably be addressed in one of your recommendations if they were true.</p>
<p>Not 600 hrs but maybe put 120 hrs instead of 18?</p>
<p>How would they know that?</p>
<p>Also, I'm not talking about extremes. I'm just saying adding a few more hrs than you're supposed to...</p>
<p>In worst cases, the adcoms can call ur gc or possibly teachers to confirm. I dunno if this actually happen, but why not? :)</p>
<p>It's not like it sounds unimaginable. I DOUBT they do that. Because if I don't BS it, I'm only gonna have about 15 hrs of CS! And the UC's supposedly strongly emphasize CS! I'm screwed!</p>
<p>I'll tell you a little secret
(rush off to dark corner where we can't be overheard)
The don't. They trust you. But they can ask for verification if something smells fishy. And what if two people from the same school claim to be in charge of the same club.</p>
<p>How about you do more community service then, and not lie about it...idiot.</p>
<p>The phrase: ONLY IF IT SMELLS FISHY</p>
<p>Well, what if it doesn't?</p>
<p>Well, I'm planning on doing CS over summer anyway. I wonder how many people have gotten away with it.</p>
<p>The deal on community service:</p>
<p>For the vast majority of applicants, colleges do not verify CS hours or awards listed on applications. However, for roughly 10% of applicants, schools will send out a form asking people to verify their CS hours and/or awards/ extracurriculars. </p>
<p>This is how they discourage lying, by randomly selecting applicants to monitor.</p>
<p>I see. Can anyone provide the whole UCSD-point system link for CS hrs?</p>
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For the vast majority of applicants, colleges do not verify CS hours or awards listed on applications. However, for roughly 10% of applicants, schools will send out a form asking people to verify their CS hours and/or awards/ extracurriculars.
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<p>Hey, does every college do that? Was I rejected because of this? I added a few more hours than I was supposed to on an activity...</p>
<p>im not sure if every college does it, but I know that most do.</p>
<p>dont do it. you'll regret it if (WHEN) it comes back to bite u in the a s s</p>
<p>Yeah how about you don't lie about it because other people have actually worked to get where they are. Why should they be disadvantaged just because they aren't unethical arses?</p>
<p>The ethical non-arses would appreciate it.</p>
<p>LOL i use to worry about this....but you know what? i dont think any of the colleges check...</p>
<p>A few years ago, at a HS near mine, 3 people claimed they were the valedictorians of their class.. and applied to the same schools. Yeah it didn't turn out too well for em.... :P</p>
<p>Well what if you volunteered say 10 hours total at your local hospital, but on your application you put 40 or even 30 hours? Would they check?</p>
<p>1) How do colleges know how many CS hrs you have served?"</p>
<p>In general, they trust you. However, colleges don't get impressed because of the amount of CS hours students have done. Colleges know that many students HAVE to do CS hours to graduate from h.s. or to fulfill club or IB requirements. </p>
<p>Colleges also don't require CS hours as part of admission. Indeed, only the most competitive colleges care that much about ECs in general. Instead of caring that much about the amount of time that you put in, those colleges -- places like HPYS -- are far more interested in the impact that your ECs (job, club activities, CS, community activities) had on you or others.</p>
<p>They are able to identify that impact through recommendations, interview and/or essay. It's very hard to bs an essay in order document an impact that didn't happen. In fact, if a student had never done ECs that had an impact, more than likely, the student wouldn't even be knowledgeable enough to know how to lie to demonstrate an impact.</p>
<p>Colleges don't care whether you've done 10 or 40 hours of hospital volunteer work. What they care about is what you learned from the experience and what you contributed (preferably documented through a recommendation or award).</p>
<p>"2) How do they know you've been this and that (President, Member) of a club during HS?</p>
<p>They in general rely on your word. They also see if the recommendations support what you're' saying. Remember, in general, you don't get to see your recommendations. If, for instance, your GC says that you haven't been active in clubs, but spend much of your free time studying, you'll obviously be a liar if you claim to be head of several clubs.</p>
<p>The very top colleges also are not going to be impressed by things like being president of school clubs or even student government. Such things don't stand out in their pool. Having leadership of statewide or country-wide organizations is what's needed to stand out, and such claims are very easily verified.</p>
<p>In addition, lying about presidencies, etc. will hurt you in the interview because when asked to describe things like meetings, you'd be obviously lying. If you have an alum interview, the alum also may have inside info on the organization that you claim to head. This happened once when a student falsely claimed to be an active member of an organization that I volunteered with and my son was a top officer of. </p>
<p>"3) If you say, they get the info from the school, well what if I BS-ed that info to the school too?"</p>
<p>Your GC may catch you in the lie (see #2), and then may give you low marks on the part of the GC recommendation that asks about your character. You'll never know this happened as the GC would have no reason to let you know that they've caught you in a lie.</p>
<p>@Northstarmon: Your post is very detailed and thorough ! It helps me and other people a lot ! ;)</p>
<p>Hey, guys I've small questions!</p>
<p>Last year, I participated in a volutary activity of UN ! The event just lasted for 2 weeks, so when I list this in my extracurricular activities, how 'bout the hours and position ? If I write two weeks, will adcoms think it is too short and not worth considering ? What must I do ? ( I definitely have to list it cos this activity included people from many countries and was very good. It can be considered a community service, rite ? )
And do I always have to write the hours and position I hold in whaterver activities I take part in ? What will happen if I omit it ?
Above are my questions.Thanks in advance ! ;)</p>
<p>Rhett,
If the UN EC was important to you, then list it with a brief explanation. For instance, "One of two student from my high school chosen to do XXXXXX volunteer service at the UN for 2 weeks."</p>
<p>"And do I always have to write the hours and position I hold in whaterver activities I take part in ? What will happen if I omit it ? "</p>
<p>Why would you admit it unless it's not that important and there's not room for it? If you have a position, list it. If you're a member, list it. Approximate the hours. If the hours are so trivial -- for instance 3 hours of service total as a club member-- then omit the whole activity.</p>