<p>@preamble1776
In AP chem our test averages are 40% and our teacher is good with it. Our school also banned extra credit. </p>
<p>Ugggh. I’m sorry, but while I may have a limited amount of sympathy in that she’s now at square one, in the end, she’s the one who brought it on herself and I think that it’s a logical and fitting consequence.
Especially if her failure to step up could mean failing the whole class… (I could see the teacher not following through but it’s still a possibility). At that point I lose all compassion.
I personally find cheating abhorrent.</p>
<p>@hannahbanana69 - I agree with everything you said. </p>
<p>I can understand why someone would cheat (insecurity, anxiety, pressure, etc) - but I think the act itself is disgusting. I think putting yourself at an unfair advantage and reaping benefits you didn’t earn, benefits that are taken from other kids, is pretty downright awful. But I know what it is like to be scared - she’s terrified and my heart bleeds for those I know who are scared and at a dead end. I feel very conflicted over this. </p>
<p>I constantly see on here people saying, “Everyone cheats,” and I disagree. I have never cheated in my life, and never will. </p>
<p>Cheating isn’t a tactic, it’s for people who are lazy. I completely get that tests aren’t fantastic and pretty pointless (aside from the fact it impacts grades), but I would never cheat. </p>
<p>@CE527M - I really like hearing there are still kids with a bit of virtue in their hearts in this day and age. </p>
<p>But then again, I am wary of the moral fiber of a type writer. Since when did you attain an ethical matrix to operate upon? </p>
<p>@CE527M
Everyone here is condemning cheating idk what your talking about
@preamble1776
how do you feel about copying homework </p>
<p>@SwaggyC - If you’re doing anything regarding the assignments in a class that you’d be ashamed to tell the teacher about, you shouldn’t be doing it - but copying homework is pretty mild compared to more advanced forms of plagiarism. </p>
<p>I’ll confess outright that I have cheated once, on a 4th grade vocab test. I felt so worthless that I decided to never do it again and even told the teacher who just told me never to cheat again as it could form a horrible habit. I feel like this is what happens to most kids and once they realize they can get away with it at an early stage, they figure that they can every time and continue their pace.</p>
<p>I think it eventually comes down to the teacher. My Spanish teacher separates our desks by a meter or so, makes us put our backpacks in front of the class, gives us cover sheets, and takes away the device of every student with the penalty of a 0 for everyone if one student fails to do so. It’s a comprehensive plan that eradicates almost every form of cheating. The student described deserves what her confession will give to her, college rescinding included. If she’s dumb enough to cheat that way or even try to cheat, she doesn’t deserve a good university.</p>
<p>You reap what you sow.</p>
<p>I don’t see the point pf cheating you do not learn the material from doing it so whats the point. I also find that you put more effort in to cheating and not trying to get caught then doing the actually test. There are some people in my school that cheat and still fail :)) >.> How that happens I will never know.</p>
<p>I feel that people who say “everyone cheats” are people who are trying to make their own character flaws seem acceptable because NOT everyone cheats. They don’t want to admit to themselves that others did what they were supposed to and that they did not. As a teacher, I sometimes have to run my class like a police state.</p>
<p>Teachers at my school never give the same version of a test to different sections (3 AP History classes, 3 different versions, 3 different sets of essays) because students chat with each other in the halls. All papers handed in for Eng or History are run through TurnItIn.com to check for plagiarism. If teachers see students copying homework, both copies are collected and usually destroyed. Many students have gotten tired of the cheating and speak to teachers about other students.</p>
<p>I had a student recently who I was fairly convinced was cheating in my calc. class. Two quizzes ago, I took the same 10 question multiple choice quiz, but shuffled the choices around to make two versions with the same questions. I distributed them, making sure this young man had the “altered” version. Well wasn’t he surprised when he had a 2/10. He started to argue that I had marked some questions wrong that were marked right on his friend’s paper. I calmly commented, “Oh _____, that is because you have a different version.” Several of his peers (who KNOW he cheats) laughed out loud. Maybe this will be the incentive he needs to start working harder.</p>
<p>I just feel sorry for cheaters because they don’t understand that hard work, strong character, and integrity are what make people memorable, employable, and honorable. Sad that they don’t feel worthy of (or don’t know how to)live up to such standards.</p>
<p>Someone in my class took a picture of the study guide and used it on her test. It makes me mad when teachers don’t look around carefully to see if people are cheating. Mostly if they’re cheating off ME!</p>
<p>@dsi411
Why does it bother you guys so much? </p>
<p>@SwaggyC Because it’s not fair. They get higher, even just slightly higher, test scores because they cheat! I take my time to study! They just come to school without studying and expect to get good grades. Just like when the teacher says something is due a certain day but some kid doesn’t do it or does it during class and the teacher doesn’t even care! Ugh! This only really happens in my Spanish 1 class. That’s my only “regular” class. Cheaters don’t take advanced classes. Most of the time. I hate cheaters. I don’t hate many things, but I sure do hate cheaters.</p>
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<p>Because earlier in the thread:
I’ve also seen people say similar things in a few other threads about cheating.</p>
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Ah, because typewriters are the tools of old school journalists, the ones who had great ethics and were objective and truthful and went after the stories that were important. </p>
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<p>Well, yeah…they’re high achievers because they cheat a lot. </p>
<p>" Why does it bother you guys so much?" I think there’s a big difference between a student who is cheating to barely pass and a student who is cheating to maintain a high GPA, class rank, and possible scholarship money as a senior. It is theft from the students who did not cheat but have a GPA/class rank slightly lower.</p>
<p>OP, you should have the email of all your teachers. Open a fake Gmail account and spill the beans. You can remain anonymous. </p>
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<p>Your experience is an exception, not a rule. If you think this sort of relationship is normal, you’re in for a rude awakening in the real world. Hard work and effort don’t keep a job; If you mess up, but you’re trying, you’re boss won’t give you a raise and encourage you. </p>
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<p>To those who condemn cheaters:</p>
<p>You can all fall right off your high horses. If you were asked a million dollar question, and could “cheat” and get the answer, would you? Anybody who cites “honor” as the reason not to cheat is full of it. A million bucks is a million bucks. Cheating is a risk/reward system, not a question of morals and honor. People do what they can to get what they want.</p>
<p>I don’t like cheating because I hate self-satisfied smug people who go around thinking they’ve beat the system, if that makes sense. I feel like cheaters must think they’re better than everyone else (someone has to study so that the cheater has someone to cheat from, but the cheater is too good for that), and I don’t like that. It’s somewhat irrational, the same as most of my other ethical views…it’s a [moral</a> dumbfounding](<a href=“http://curiosity.discovery.com/question/what-is-moral-dumbfounding]moral”>http://curiosity.discovery.com/question/what-is-moral-dumbfounding) thing. </p>
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<p>What, haven’t you ever heard of a hypocrite? Everybody does a lot of ethically questionable things…that doesn’t mean no one should talk about ethics.</p>
<p>@SwaggyC - Cheating bothers people because cheating isn’t isolated to the cheater themselves - students who put in genuine effort into their classes should not have to compete with kids who are taking an unfair advantage by deceiving the teacher, the other students, and the culture of the classroom. It also isn’t (usually) an isolated incident - people who cheat and get away with it become comfortable with the idea and continue to do it. It progresses until the point that people literally cannot get by without it in college and later on in their careers. People will one day believe in your ability and you will have responsibilities that you’re not going to be able to fulfill because you decided to take short cuts your whole life. </p>