<p>I agree with immasenior to point I do find that majority of people do cheat. Take chores for example when i’m ask to sweep the carpet I find it to much work and time consuming so I find a easier way which is vacuuming would that be cheating? </p>
<p>@immasenior - While I don’t really buy the idea that there are ever tests that act as the crux of your entire college admissions process - I’ll play along. Cheating is an option; but it isn’t the only option. You could just study for the test if it is so important. If you can’t deal with it, you don’t deserve to get into the college. Plain and simple. </p>
<p>Cheating is a skill and if someone cheats without getting caught, then they have exercised their skill effectively. </p>
<p>In a similar argument, you could just cheat on the test if it is so important. If you can’t deal with it, you don’t deserve to (pass that test) and get into the college. Plain and simple. No need to be sanctimonious.</p>
<p>@jwen556 - Cheating is not a skill - it is a crutch for people who cannot succeed otherwise. If cheaters could succeed without cheating, they would, as there is no consequence in simply being intelligent and working hard; but they can’t. I don’t know if you yourself are a repeat offender when it comes to cheating - if so, I don’t really care - but don’t try to glamorize cheating to conceal flaws in your character. </p>
<p>@immasenior: It is true that “integrity” is a category for teachers to evaluate on their recommendation. For almost all my students I am able to check off the highest category. I wonder how colleges interpret the results when teachers check the lower boxes on that one.</p>
<p>People can spin it any way they want, but if cheating wasn’t so bad, then why does it have a negative connotation to it and why doesn’t everyone do it?</p>
<p>It has a negative connotation because persons who feign righteousness want to bully those who are different.
Not everyone cheats because, for most persons under most circumstances, cheating incurs high risk and low reward, and is therefore a suboptimal choice. However, for some, the risk that cheating incurs is comparatively low in comparison to the reward for cheating, and therefore cheating is optimal.</p>
<p>The vitriol toward cheating in this thread is undue. Cheaters who do not get caught procure their reward by subjecting themselves to risk, and nothing is stopping anyone from cheating.</p>
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<p>I agree that cheating is bad, but you could apply this argument to a lot of things I don’t think are bad. The majority is stupid sometimes. </p>
<p>@jwen556 - It has a negative connotation because it is unethical. It has nothing to do with feigned superiority complexes - it is wrong; by its definition, cheating is the “getting of reward for ability by dishonest means.” I suppose dishonest also has a negative connotation because honest people are full of themselves? Give me a break. I’m starting to think you’re screwing around and can’t actually be serious. </p>
<p>Taking a risk for something you deem worthy is not inherently righteous - I suppose many people do very unlawful and immoral things for pleasure or a thrill, so while the risk may be severe, they disregard it because they’re interested only in the pursuit of what they feel will be a proper, justified reward - that in of itself is not by its nature somehow admirable. The ends do not justify the means. </p>
<p>Like I said to @SwaggyC - let’s hope you’re never under the knife of a surgeon who never studied for a single anatomy test in his life. I mean, honesty, virtue, and actually <em>learning</em> isn’t all that important right? Who wouldn’t want to be operated upon by a man who never actually bothered to learn the parts of your body he is going to cut up - because he spent all his time writing crib sheets and memorizing letter sequences from multiple choice answer keys. </p>
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Bully? Uh, doubt it. People get bullied because they’re for reasons like race, gender, and religion. Not cheating. </p>
<p>If I wanted to “feign righteousness” or be the hero of the day, I could easily cheat and lie and say I didn’t. I’m sure plenty of people do that. Is it really so hard to fathom that I just think cheating is wrong and it’s ultimately rather pointless? It’s a moral I will always uphold. That may sound to you like I’m all high and mighty, trying to be righteous, but I don’t think I’m really all that much better than those who cheat. I just think it’s stupid. </p>
<p>@CE527M - Those with guilty minds will always criticize those with morals.</p>
<p>@jwen556- sure, cheating is a skill. But cheating isn’t the skill which is being tested on in AP Bio (unless you attend a REALLY peculiar kind of school, but Idunno). In an environment which is meant to test whether someone understands the components of the cell, the ability to sneak a cell phone or flashcards into the exam room is really immaterial as far as assessing whether you have attained the necessary knowledge is concerned.
If your doctor had cheated on all of his med school exams, would you congratulate him on his “skills” or realize that these skills are utterly irrelevant and kind of flip out that this is the guy who has your life in his hands? The skills meant to be achieved in school are academic and knowledge based- GPA measures academic achievement, not subterfuge.
The only place that will take you is, eventually, Sing Sing. </p>
<p>You guys are assuming that cheaters cheat on all tests and don’t know the materials; however, cheaters tend to be more knowledgable about the materials and they decide to cheat because studying for an outrageous test isn’t worth their time. I have cheated before not because I didn’t know what I was learning but because it wasn’t worth my time to study. Tests don’t always test our knowledge of the material because each test is so subjective to the teacher’s preferences. I view cheating as part of life and is prevalent in our society.</p>
<p>@bouncer - The extent to which I don’t believe you when you say that you cheat because it isn’t worth your time and that you “knew” all the material is actually quite hilarious. If you knew the material so well, you wouldn’t need to study - you could just take the test; similarly, you also wouldn’t need to cheat. Cheating is prevalent in our society - it is not a way of life, however; it is a crutch that speaks to a far more serious problem that one may be facing. People who cheat are more often than not extremely insecure about their intellectual capacity regarding a subject or they are wrought with debilitating test anxiety - but people who know the material, who understand the class, who are confident in their abilities tend to not cheat because it is both risky and absolutely unnecessary. It seems like both you and @immasenior are trying to justify a habit of yours that you both know deep down is wrong. C’est la vie. Try convincing your teacher that cheating is an admirable and worthy skill and see how far that gets you. LOL.</p>
<p>Cheating is not a habit of mine, actually. I rarely have a need for it. However, I don’t see it as some detestable practice that only scumbags partake in.</p>
<p>@immasenior - Good for you? Nobody described cheaters as scumbags… People just argued that cheating is unethical; which it is. Just because something isn’t necessarily moral does not mean that it is the worst act a person on God’s good earth could perpetrate. You’re exaggerating the opposing argument to make it seem unfair and ludicrous when it is neither. </p>
<p>@preamble1776
“Nobody described cheaters as scumbags.”</p>
<p>When I read through the thread, that was the vibe I was getting tbh. </p>
<p>@SwaggyC
LOL SAME</p>
<p>I admit that cheating is wrong but driving over the speed limit is not only wrong but illegal. Who doesn’t go above several miles above the speed limit? I’m not trying to justify my infrequent habit, I’m just trying to express my opinions on the subject. Teachers that I had knew that some students cheated and unless they were incredibly obvious when cheating, teachers let it slide, acting like nothing happened. Teachers were once students too. I have had teachers that have seen students cheat in front of their eyes but my teachers were always chill and warned not to ever look again like nothing really happened.</p>
<p>To clarify my views, I don’t believe cheaters are scumbags or anything like that. I think cheating is wrong, but it’s not like I hate people who cheat.</p>