<p>I know Stony Brook has a pretty good reputation for science and a number of it’s grad depts are very highly rated, but it’s undergrad graduation rate is 45%! :(</p>
<p>TonyK, I believe SUNY has deliberately chosen not to designate anything as a flagship, though I’d say our high school has designated Binghamton as the most likely culprit.</p>
<p>Not so happy with the NJ choices either- really expensive $28k+ in state & Rutger’s
New Brunswick is not a great area. The other public are primarily suitcase schools.
Rutger’s campus is spread out amongst the New Brunswick city.</p>
<p>I think NYers are lucky w the SUNY s $18K all in for tuition/rm/board.
Just toured Oneanta-- campus was gorgeous!!! And the 4 Cornell land grant schools - yep your better of than NJ…</p>
<p>“I know Stony Brook has a pretty good reputation for science and a number of it’s grad depts are very highly rated, but it’s undergrad graduation rate is 45%!”</p>
<p>That’s because UG students are so well-trained that they just move on to Wall Street or Medical School after sophomore year! (Or not.)</p>
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<p>Source: Maryland’s common data set. Thus, 100% of total Frosh from last year.</p>
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<p>Seriously? According to the federal ipeds, UMCP has 12% Black and 8% Hispanic. Again, seriously?</p>
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COA of a few Suny
Suny Albany $18k
Suny Buffalo $22.5k
Suny Stony Brook $21k
Suny Binghamton $22k</p>
<p>$18k may be on the low end. Yes, we NYers are lucky that we have Suny & Cuny, the second & third largest university system in US.</p>
<p>Yes 
I mean, Umass is a good school. But it’s not the school for a high achieving student. Any average student can get in, and it is still very much regarded as zoo-mass. I envy Virginians. They have William and Mary and UVA for high achieving students, va tech and JMU for good/average-ish students. and even more! MA has really good public high schools, but not universities. beyond umass Amherst, the others aren’t very good at all…</p>
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<p>[Stony</a> Brook University Students - CollegeData College Profile](<a href=“http://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/college/college_pg06_tmpl.jhtml?schoolId=86]Stony”>http://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/college/college_pg06_tmpl.jhtml?schoolId=86) says 44.6% in 4 years, 63.8% in 5 years, 67.0% in 6 years.</p>
<p>This isn’t great, but it is roughly comparable to other public universities of similar selectivity. Four year graduation rate appears to go up with selectivity and list price.</p>
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<p>While Stonybrook has great academics in STEM and some non-STEM fields, the fact it tends to be a suitcase school for a lot of Long Islanders and NYC area locals means there’s not much of a weekend campus atmosphere and thus, a major turnoff. Especially for students yearning to get out of the NYC area for undergrad. </p>
<p>I’ve yet to meet a Stonybrook alum among HS classmates/friends who enjoyed their college experience outside of strictly academics.</p>
<p>The SUNYs have a lot to offer. <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/1391752-geneseo-tops-best-undergraduate-teaching-institution.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/1391752-geneseo-tops-best-undergraduate-teaching-institution.html</a></p>
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<p>Yes, I think that some of the kids at UMCP with relatively low test scores and GPAs are from disadvantaged backgrounds, which would include some of the URMs, as well as some non-URM kids from less affluent rural parts of the state. Not everyone at UMCP comes from good high schools in affluent DC or Baltimore suburbs (although a large proportion of them do).</p>
<p>In any case, I think it’s pretty generally known that getting into UMCP is not as difficult as getting into UVa or UNC-Chapel Hill but substantially more difficult than getting into other Eastern flagships. And Maryland kids know (because their GCs tell them) that if your CR + M score is in the 1300s, admission to UMCP is not a sure thing.</p>
<p>My husband attended ESF for Grad and Undergrad. He loved it. He liked that it was basically connected to Syracuse and took all his liberal arts classes at Syracuse, paying SUNY tuition. ESF has brand new dorms and clubs and groups of their own, but you can also participate in many Syracuse clubs and activities. Their Ranger school at Cranberry Lake provides many research opportunities, not just to Ranger school students.</p>
<p>University of Maryland-CP:</p>
<p>Admitance statistics are highly dependant on what Maryland county you live in.</p>
<p>As a state flagship, UMCP wants to admit students from all corners of the state. If it admitted based purely on statistics, it could fill its freshman class with students from only a few highly competitive counties (Montgomery, Howard, for example). </p>
<p>It is more difficult to gain admittance from some areas of the state, and getting more difficult every year. I live in one of those counties, and I was shocked at some of the kids who were not admitted, or who were admitted for spring semester or “Freshman Connection” when S2 was a HS senior (compared to two years earlier when S1 was applying).</p>
<p>SUNY has always called Buffalo, Albany, Stony Brook and Binghampton it’s “university centers”. I’ve never heard of one called a flagship. Then you’ve got your group of liberal arts/teacher Ed type schools and each offers some interesting and unique majors from the other. Then you’ve got your tech schools that offer 2 and 4 year degrees and community colleges. For instance, a music performance major would be drawn to Potsdam, Fredonia, or Purchase. Oswego has an interesting Zoology program. If you go to SUNY.edu and type in your major or choice of majors, it helps narrow your choices down.</p>
<p>I think Texas is awful. Most of the schools are so disappointing. I am from Iowa and have lived (and have close family) in Minnesota and SD. I feel like we could have gone to almost any college and been happy there. But here, I just feel like everything is just settling.</p>
<p>No one’s mentioned SUNY New Paltz - the artist and drug SUNY school! </p>
<p>Seriously, there are so many SUNY schools with varied options including size, location, atmosphere, sports, etc. The academics are generally excellent with many kids moving on to graduate programs at very highly regarded schools. </p>
<p>I’m really proud of our State schools.</p>
<p>A few SUNY’s such as SUNY Brockport offer free tuition if you meet their requirements. After subtracting outside scholarships and departmental grants, a student can pay less than the price of a community college.</p>
<p>This is nothing new. Forty years ago, when I applied to the SUNY schools, the situation was the same.</p>
<p>Why can’t New York State get its act together, and designate one of the SUNYs as being the elite institution?</p>
<p>It’s not like there are not a lot of brilliant kids in New York State.</p>
<p>The state is doing a disservice to it students by offering them a choice of schools, that while decent, do not have a national reputation. </p>
<p>Kids in other states are very lucky. UCLA, Berkeley, Virginia, Michigan. Those are nice state university choices to have.</p>
<p>limulus makes a good point</p>
<p>Cornell is a great in-state option.</p>
<p>I wish my state flagship - University of Colorado, Boulder - wasn’t as popular with California kids not good enough academically to get into Cal or UCLA but rich enough to afford the OOS tuition; I wish it weren’t as popular with partiers, frat boys (and girls) and ski bums-wanna-be’s. I wish it weren’t so overwhelmingly white. Yes, there are niches of other type students at Boulder, but overall, it’s everything my own son dislikes. So, no state flagship for him. Bummer: it’s a good school in a stunning and fun college town.</p>
<p>While OP complains about the relatively lower ranking of the SUNY schools, he/she should also consider the MUCH lower tuition/fee.</p>
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<p>SUNY $5570 $14820
UC $13200 $36078
UVA $11794 $36788
UMichigan $13437 $39109
UNC $7694 $28446</p>
<p>Even for OOS students, SUNY is quite good value.</p>