<p>[Mathacle’s</a> Blog: Memo To Brown, Cornell And MIT Grads: You’re Not Good Enough](<a href=“http://mathacle.blogspot.com/2011/01/memo-to-brown-cornell-and-mit-grads.html]Mathacle’s”>Mathacle's Blog: Memo To Brown, Cornell And MIT Grads: You're Not Good Enough)</p>
<p>HYP are the one’s they want, they don’t want Columbia/Penn/Dartmouth/Brown or Cornell, unfortunately.</p>
<p>From the article:</p>
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<p>Top law firms, consulting agencies and investment banks? Aren’t these the groups who, in conjunction with our politicians, are pretty much responsible for screwing up the entire US economy?</p>
<p>I may have commented on this forthcoming study elsewhere, but a small note: it is out-of-control ridiculous to have included law firms in this. Major law firms hire on a prestige basis from an elite group of law schools, with absolutely no attention being payed to your undergraduate institution. Brown, Dartmouth, Penn, Princeton, and MIT don’t have law schools; Cornell has the least-elite law school in the Ivy League; Columbia, which allegedly didn’t perform well in this study, has the best placement record of any law school in the country. Law firms make no sense in the context of this study.</p>
<p>I would assume that the actual study – when it is released – will reflect a lot more nuance than has the press coverage about it.</p>
<p>I did some further reading at Mathacle’s Blog; some details were found in the middle of the first page, the rest at the link posted below. </p>
<p>Brown’s regular decision acceptance rate appears to have been a mere 7.5% this year, compared with 20.6% for early decision applicants: 577 students were admitted to binding ED out of 2796 applicants.</p>
<p>Overall acceptance rate:
2692 out of 30,946 = 8.699%</p>
<p>RD acceptance rate (same figures less 577 ED openings and 2796 ED applicants):
2115 out of 28150 = 7.513%</p>
<p>Also of note is that Brown has estimated an overall 55% yield this year. However, when you back out those already accepted ED, you had 2115 acceptances for 908 remaining slots – so Brown was only expecting a 43% yield from its RD pool. That does not seem to bode well for those currently on the waitlist – anyone have stats on last year’s RD yield?</p>
<p>[Mathacle’s</a> Blog](<a href=“Mathacle's Blog”>Mathacle's Blog)</p>
<p>shaheirunderdog - “How could you say USNEWS ranking is the only ranking people/employers (especially people that actually matter) care about”, r u the empolyer, r u the so called people, why “only”, if you ask me - i can tell you, i am one of the so-called people, i will take [50</a> Top Colleges](<a href=“http://50topcolleges.com/Rankings.html]50”>http://50topcolleges.com/Rankings.html) as one of my reference, in addition, do u know - [50</a> Top Colleges](<a href=“http://50topcolleges.com/Rankings.html]50”>http://50topcolleges.com/Rankings.html) also includes “US News & World Report” as one of their measurement parameters.</p>
<p>hippo2718, what makes you so dislike about Brown?
FutureVpFinance - Why u say “think about it. BROWN university? Its obviously racism”, well, what color you have? or you have no color … lol
Can you say “think about it, MICROSOFT?, it is too small and too soft”???
And do you know some people with last name BLACK, can you say racism because he is Mr. BLACK … lol</p>
<p>Every conference has an academic pecking order-some of it real and some perceived. NU in the Big Ten and Stanford in the Pac 12 seem to be universally recognized as the pre-eminent academic institutions in their respective conferences (apologies to Michigan and UCB) Why would the Ivy League Conference be any different? While individual schools may have curriculum or departmental strengths, the overall strengths of HYP seem to prevail. That’s not to say that Brown is comparable to e.g., Michigan State or Iowa vis a vis NU; or Arizona State/Oregon State vis a vis Stanford. The academics of the Ivy schools are more closely bunched, but there is still a universally recognized pecking order, and Brown appears to be in the second tier.</p>
<p>mgcsinc…Penn doesn’t have a law school? Really? </p>
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<p>^ Haha, I have no idea how that crept in there. I think it’s because I was thinking about making a point about them dividing Penn into Wharton and everything else, and ignoring the fact that its law school is pretty high up in the food chain, but it all got garbled in my head.</p>
<p>To correct the record: Penn had a (very good) law school.</p>
<p>Counsel, here’s the problem with your analogy. The Big Ten, nor the PAC-12 were not founded as primarily academic conferences. Athletics was the pre-eminent reason. The Ivy conference was founded as a primarily academic conference that had similar philospohies about the role of athletics in school life. That’s a key difference. I am married to a Harvard graduate and resonate with Harvard graduates on occasion. Believe me, the product of that experience are no brighter nor more “successful” than the Brown graduates I know. No one who really knows about the Ivies would really dispute that Brown offers a superior undergraduate environment, and similar exit options, to Harvard. Even U.S. News implicitly recognizes this in its undergraduate teaching portion of its national university rankings. As for Princeton, whenever I see Ivy matriculation at the T-14 law schools, I see Princeton representation much closer to Brown than it is to Harvard or Yale. Of the people I know, and they are very intellectual people, only Yale is really viewed as Brown’s peer for undergraduate quality and intellectualism among the Ivies, and these people do the kind of hiring that graduating Ivy grads covet. Brown is first tier Ivy undergrad, and 2nd tier Ivy grad, but still among the overall finest universities on the planet.</p>
<p>The Ivy League was founded as an athletic conference not an academic conference.</p>
<p>I think that many people would think that Princeton was at least a peer for Brown
for undergraduate education. They take undergraduate education very seriously. </p>
<p>I do not know anyone who would talk about first tier and second tier
Ivy grad. In graduate education people usually refer to specific fields.</p>
<p>This thread is filled with people associated with Brown University and people associated with other institutions. For the most part (please forgive the generalization) Brown students, alum, family, etc have been pro Brown and the others have fought for their own institution to be seen as “better”. Could anything less have been expected? </p>
<p>Giving users the monicker of ■■■■■ or completely devaluing a school in one fell swoop is out of line and simply ridiculous. There is a right fit for every person. The Harvard student chooses Harvard because they want that experience. The Brown student chooses Brown because they want that particular experience. I challenge anyone to say they didn’t choose their school because they felt it was the best for them. </p>
<p>If your main concern is perceived prestige Brown may not be the place for you because Brown students are noted for not throwing their school’s name around. If future success is your concern, people from all types of schools become enormously successful everyday. It depends more on how incredible you are individually rather than your alma mater. If a company is going to judge you solely on your degree and you don’t make the cut, you most likely wouldn’t have enjoyed working there anyway. </p>
<p>It takes all types of people and institutions to make the world a better place. With so much aggression in many of the previous posts I welcome everyone to evaluate their position and worry about improving that. The most powerful thing in the world is the right idea in the right place at the right time (it really doesn’t make a difference where that place is).</p>
<p>Here is a rank of the Ivy league schools.
Objectively:</p>
<ol>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>Brown</li>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>UPenn</li>
</ol>
<p>Again, objectively, not subjectively.</p>
<p>Who cares. Unless you want to go to Wall Street, then it doesn’t matter where you go as along as it is accredited and you don’t major in a “joke” major.</p>
<p>US News and World Report - Causing CC Flame wars since the beginning of time.</p>
<p>Brown University is an amazing school. No one sits around ranking Ivy League schools. Ivy League schools are probably the best and most recognized schools in the nation. Therefore, this whole argument is pointless. Brown University has the same amount of prestige as any Ivy League school. The only difference is the name.</p>
<p>P.S. - Short (and in some cases, disjointed) sentences get the point across.</p>
<p>Some people here are saying Harvard is “better” than brown because it is more famous and consider the fame/prestige/reputataion of the school to be a good indicator of a college’s worth.</p>
<p>Some people here say Brown is 'Better: because of it’s open curriculum and consider that to be a good indicator of a college’s worth.</p>
<p>Note how this is all subjective. I can say that college X is better than college Y based on the color of the chairs if I believe chair color leads to a “better” college for me.</p>
<p>Thus I conclude it is impossible to objectively say any college is better than any other college.</p>
<p>The closest thing we can get to objective decisions is if everyone agrees on the same thing. That way, subjectivity becomes less and less significant so that it is <em>almost</em> pure objective.</p>
<p>But obviously not everybody here agrees on the same thing. Hence I conclude that the only conclusion we can make is that both Brown and other other ivies are “good” schools unless someone here thinks that one or more of the ivies is not a “good” school.</p>
<p>^ agreed. everything that makes a college great isnt necessarily quantifiable. The ranking system do try and do the best they can, but it shouldn’t be taken as 100% accurate.</p>
<p>Maybe this thread will be the last we have on this topic!</p>
<p>^^^</p>
<p>unfortunately it is basically certain that there will be more of these. CC has always had them, and always will.</p>
<p>Frankly, I’m rather happy if the prestige-hounds who wish to split hairs decide to go elsewhere. I’d rather see my son surrounded by exceptional students who chose the school because it was the perfect fit.</p>