<p>I'm an int'l applying RD Wharton@Penn w/out Fin. Aid. How much does it help me by not applying? What is the acceptance rate like for non-F.A applicants at Penn?</p>
<p>At some schools if you don't apply for aid freshman year you may not be eligible for aid in subsequent years. </p>
<p>What would be to point of not applying for aid especially if you know that you are not sitting on $170,000? If you run out of money you cannot continue in school - it really is just that basic.</p>
<p>Being an international student, you will have to show that you have the money available to pay for your education in order to get your visa. If you are looking to apply RD with out aid because it improves yor chances and you know you don't have the $$ it is not the best move because Penn will eventually find out that you don't have the money. </p>
<p>When applying don't you have to prove to Penn that you have the $$ available tor the cost of the education? life does eventually catch up to you.</p>
<p>I'm 100% certain of finanancing my education because the norwegian government foots the hold thing. And in case there is a change in law, my parents can pay the rest. Considering this, I know I can go through the 4 years w/out any worries. </p>
<p>Does Penn accepts people with slightly lower stats compared to one with higher stats if they dont ask for FA? I have a 690M/670CR/700WR and a 750IC,690,680 and am applying to wharton (i guess my scores are not all that competetive) but I have a unique backround (norwegian citizen of indian origin who did high school in South Korea +++) so can I afford to be more confident than say a 2200, 750/750/750 applying for FA?</p>
<p>You have to remember that stats are only one part of the equation. The process is a very wholistic one where the school is looking at the entire student ans sees where this student fits in tothe college crafting a class and filling its institutional mission.</p>
<p>I don't know how much it will help you, but it surely won't hurt you. If they are not need-blind for internationals, it will most likely give you some kind of advantage over similar candidates who would require aid.</p>
<p>callthecops2 -- the norwegian government pays for your american college tuition? would you know anything about the swedish government?</p>
<p>haha. oh vendela, that would work out well for you wouldn't it. ;)</p>
<p>I see you are as addicted as I am.</p>
<p>hell yea! then d would maybe even accept me! (and yes i am. thanks for passing on your addiction to me... it was very nice of you)</p>
<p>no problemo.</p>
<p>for Int'l students, adcom does look at one's ability pay full feight.</p>
<p>So it is advantageous for one to apply w/o fin aid apllication.</p>
<p>What you can do is first get in, then study hard distingusi yourself, they may consider you for fin aid in subsequent years.</p>
<p>Good luck</p>
<p>Bangoo, are u serious about that? how did u find out about that?</p>
<p>Regarding Swedish gov. rules, I'm not sure - sorry. All I know is that the norwegian gov. pays 160K (Kroner) per year for tuition, + 80K kroner for living (which includes 2 tickets back to Norway to visit family).</p>
<p>I quote "Being an international student, you will have to show that you have the money available to pay for your education" </p>
<p>For Int'l students, most Ivies will consider your ability to pay full freight, which I dont this its too unfair.</p>
<p>U asked me for the source, but i can say this with a considerable authority, u can regard this as a holy grail</p>
<p>Good Luch</p>
<p>BG</p>
<p>BG is not being straight forward:</p>
<p>HYP are need blind for international students in addition to meeting 100% of yoru demonstrated need. At most schools if you do not apply for FA in your initial admission, you are not eligible in subsequent years as it is a very limited pot of money.</p>
<p>*Dartmouth *</p>
<p>Is Dartmouth need-blind in its admissions decisions for foreign nationals, or is financial need one of the factors that must be considered in the admissions review?</p>
<p>Dartmouth College does not have enough financial aid for every talented and needy foreign applicant. Some difficult decisions must be made at the end of the international review dictated, in part, by the limited budget for foreign nationals. Apply for financial aid if you anticipate the need for it during any point in your time at Dartmouth, but do not apply for Dartmouth aid if your family has the resources to pay for all four years of undergraduate education. Canadian citizens, Mexican citizens, U.S. Permanent Residents, and U.S. citizens living overseas are reviewed without the constraints of a limited financial aid budget. Please remember that once you are admitted as a non-financial aid candidate, you will not be eligible for financial aid at any point in your Dartmouth career.</p>
<p>Brown</p>
<p>Financial aid for foreign citizens, however, is limited. If you wish to be considered for financial aid at any time during your four years at Brown, you should apply at the time of admission. All financial aid at Brown is awarded solely on the basis of financial need, which is determined annually by our analysis of applications submitted by students and their families.
<a href="http://www.brown.edu/Administration/Admission/applyingtobrown/internationalstudents.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.brown.edu/Administration/Admission/applyingtobrown/internationalstudents.html</a></p>
<p>Foreign citizens who do not receive financial aid at the time of admission will not be considered for aid at a later date. Foreign citizens must apply for financial aid at the time of application for admission and meet all required financial aid deadlines, if they have reason to believe they will need assistance at any point during their time at Brown.
<a href="http://financialaid.brown.edu/Cmx_Content.aspx?cpId=57%5B/url%5D">http://financialaid.brown.edu/Cmx_Content.aspx?cpId=57</a></p>
<p>Penn:</p>
<p>If you have concerns about your familys ability to meet your educational expenses, you may consider applying for financial aid. However, you will be in competition for very limited funds. Please note these guidelines: </p>
<p>If You Require Financial Aid
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[li]Students who absolutely require such funding should submit Penn's Institutional Financial Aid Application, but they should also understand that they are in competition for very limited funds. </p>[/li]
<p>[li]Penn will not admit a financial aid candidate for whom we cannot provide aid. As a result, some candidates we would otherwise want to admit will be turned away. </p>[/li]
<p>[li]International applicants who anticipate the need for financial aid at any time during their four-year course of study must make this anticipated need known at the time of application. [/li]Students who receive financial aid are assured of continued support for all of their undergraduate years, if they continue to demonstrate financial need. </p>
<p>Columbia:</p>
<p>Does requesting financial aid affect my chances for admission if I am a foreign student?</p>
<p>Foreign students are those who do not fall into any of the following categories: citizens and permanent residents of the United States, citizens of Canada, persons granted refugee visas by the United States. Citizens of Canada will require visas to study in the United States but are not considered foreign for financial aid consideration. </p>
<p>At this time, financial aid for foreign students at Columbia College and The Fu Foundation School of Engineering and Applied Sciences is limited. However, each year several foreign students are admitted to Columbia with a financial aid package which covers the educational expenses that student and family are unable to cover. </p>
<p>As a foreign student, you should determine what amount, if any, you feel you and your family can afford to pay each year during your four years of study. If you feel that you will be unable to bear the entire cost on your own, you should apply for financial aid at the same time you apply for admission. If you are traveling to Columbia from another country, you will also want to consider your travel expenses. </p>
<p>Columbia has limited funding for foreign students applying either as first-years or transfers, and competition for these funds is very keen. If you are a foreign student admitted to Columbia with financial aid, you will continue to receive aid for each year that you demonstrate need; **if you are a foreign student admitted without aid, you will not be eligible for aid at any time during your undergraduate studies. **</p>
<p>what u wanna know but college wont tell u - inside information</p>
<p>Before I elaborate this further, lemme me remind you that I trust logics and statistics, not mysticims and prophecies</p>
<p>Facts:
For international students:
1) most Ivies does look at one ability to pay full freight. HYP says they wont, but they do in real world (not sybbies world).
2) For HYPM, it behooves one to apply without finaid applications. If they study hard in subsequent years, it is very much possible that they will get aids. This is beacuse HYPM consider one financial status on a yearly basis.</p>
<p>Good Luck</p>
<p>BG</p>