I heard that grades deflation makes it harder for UC undergrads to compete against graduates from other top undergraduate colleges
https://careeradvancement.uchicago.edu/about/outcomes-data
85%. You can deduct from the data in 2015 it should have 80+ students applied for top 14.
^ Very helpful, thanks. Does anyone know the stats like the above for other highly selective schools and where to find them? Not just the acceptance rate to law school but acceptance to top 14 law schools.
Here is Penn’s. Some people say it is a gold standard regarding reporting undergraduate outcome in detail.
The Chicago numbers don’t smell quite right. 85% acceptance to top-14 law schools? Really? And $12 million in merit scholarships to law school (when not that many top-14 law schools offer merit scholarships)? Also, Chicago doesn’t provide matriculation data, just acceptance numbers (which certainly will have a lot of overlap) at a smattering of top schools. I guess that the 85% number – if it’s not essentially made up – means that 85% of the cohort that applied to any top-14 law schools was accepted at some top-14 law school.
The Penn numbers are much more transparent, but not exactly comparable. Penn only tells you where people matriculated, not where they were accepted. And it only supplies those numbers for the 10-14 law schools where most of the Penn applicants in the cohort ended up, a list that typically includes some non-top-14 law schools, and that only accounts for about half of the Penn applicants.
Penn, which has about 150% of Chicago’s undergraduate student body, seems to have around 250 law school applicants per cohort, of which something around 40% seem to be going to top-14 law schools. Yes, Chicago is less pre-professional, so I would expect a somewhat lower rate of law school applicants, and yes, of course, Chicago has unparalleled intellectual rigor, etc., but at the end of the day I bet the ratio between top-14 law schools and non-top-14 law schools among Chicago graduates is not wildly different from that at Penn. (If there is a difference, it may not be in Chicago’s favor.) It is likely that there are decent-sized Chicago alumni cohorts at law schools like Loyola, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, and Indiana, as well as second-tier schools on the East and West Coasts.
It says 12M law school scholarship. Assuming that 12M cover 3 years of a law school which costs 50K per year then they can support 80 students.
It also says there are 66 top-tier law school acceptances. Assume there are overlaps among those schools the actual number of students will be fewer than 66. But it does not list all other top 14 schools due to a small number of acceptance (fewer than 5). So adding those schools with small number of acceptances the total number of students to top 14 should be in the ball park of 66.
Also it will be a common sense for a student to apply for at least one top 14 school when applying for a law school (why not?). So the 85% top 14 acceptance rate should cover almost every applicant. So the total applicants should be in the ball park of 80.
I think some of those 12M go to non-top 14 schools too. How often does a top 14 school give scholarship?
If Penn has 250 applicants then Chicago’s 80 should make sense. If Chicago has the same percentage of law applicants as Penn it will have about 160 applicants. Since Chicago is less pre-professional than Penn its actual number could be only 50% of Penn proportionally.
Yes, I wish there were more transparency in UChicago’s law admissions information. Also, for all the schools reporting data. Does anyone know if there is anything like the CDS for law school, grad school etc…?