How does Upenn differ from Brown and Columbia?

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<p>ilovebagels: With all due respect, it seems like you are cherry-picking. We all know Penn has more grad programs than Brown, but the point I was making was that it is just as easy for Brown undergrads to take (however few) grad classes available just like it is easy for Penn undergrads to take (however many) grad classes available to them. I don’t deny anything that you guys have said; I’m just pointing out the fact that Brown opens its grad classes to undergrads just like Penn does.</p>

<p>Also, the original question was not who has more grad courses open to undergrads, but who offers grad courses to undergrads. I’m not sure when the conversation turned into a **** measuring contest, but I’ll be the first to admit (which I already have) that Penn wins in that arena. On the other hand, Penn and Brown BOTH have *<strong><em>s to please their students, which is what I was just trying to clarify from the start; Brown, no matter how small, has grad courses available to its undergrads just like Penn does. (Sorry for making such a crude comparison, but ilovebagels, when I read your comment it screamed “Penn has a bigger *</em></strong> than Brown!”, so I went for it!) :)</p>

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<p>I agree with Slipper. Two or three classes are pretty insignificant when its all put together.</p>

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<p>^ Depends on how–and why–it’s all put together. :)</p>

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<p>It made enough of a difference to students like susiebra - she chose Penn over Brown specifically in order to take classes in the law school.</p>

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<p>If Law school is cherry-picking, I would be happy to pile on instead by adding in the extra opportunities in the business school, communications school, social policy & practice school, design school (altough in fairness brown does have RISD for that), education school, and a bigger (if not really better) engineering school.</p>

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That IS the point I’m making. Taking grad school classes that are just more advanced versions of undergrad Arts & Sciences classes are one thing, taking grad school classes in entirely different schools is another opportunity altogether–one that Penn undergrads have more than just about any other undergrad of any top-tier school. That’s what makes Penn special compared to Brown and Columbia–One University, baby!</p>

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<p>Excellent summary and analysis JHS!</p>

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<p>although i dont think selectivity necessarily dictates how good a school is, let the record show that Penn’s CAS admit rate was about 9% gugupo</p>

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<p>Jean, that is not what the record shows. Penn admitted 18% of its applicants last year and 14.2% this year, before going to its waitlist. Penn chooses not to publish admit rates for each of its colleges. However, Wharton did report an 11% admit rate for last year’s class. Obviously with Wharton being more selective ,the other 3 schools [College, Engineering, Nursing] collectively had a higher admit rate than that of the total university. CAS makes up the the majority of these admits.</p>

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CAS admit rate has always been around overall admit rate.
Last year wharton admit rate was 11% and SEAS was around 27-30% admit rate.<br>
CAS was probably around 18-20%. </p>

<p>Admit rates of Brown and Columbia (excluding engineering) are about 8-9%</p>

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<p>Is this a joke? wharton is under 10. CAS is around 10.</p>

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<p>^^^^
I believe you are right, Masterus, if you look only at RD data. However, Penns notably higher ED acceptance rate may shift the percent of admitted students more toward what Gugupo said. Though, I REALLY doubt that the CAS had an 18-20% acceptance rate. Its prbly closer to say 14% overall.</p>

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<p>[Wharton</a> Undergraduate: Class Profile](<a href=“http://www.wharton.upenn.edu/undergrad/life-at-wharton/class-profile.cfm]Wharton”>Student Profiles - Undergraduate)</p>

<p>4924 applied 489 matriculated meaning about 600 admitted (~12% admit rate)
wharton is less selective than Columbia & Brown.</p>

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<p>Penn’s overall admission rate this year is about 14% – ~30% ED, and ~11% RD (maybe a little less, taking into account deferred ED apps). That’s probably what the CAS numbers are, too, since CAS represents about 60% of the total, and the others tend to bracket it.</p>

<p>If you are going to use last year’s Wharton numbers, you have to compare them to last year’s Brown (11%) and Columbia (10%) numbers, too. But it’s true that Wharton admits a tiny percentage more of its applicants than Brown or Columbia does. Big whoop.</p>

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<p>Remember ! UPenn is the easiest (or 2nd easiest ) Ivy To get into !!</p>

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<p>@gugupo- you know what, you’re right. UPenn is the second easiest ivy to get into. Does that mean it’s the second worst ivy? No. Does that change the fact that many students turned down ivies that are harder to get into? Does that change the fact that Wharton has better PE/IB/VC recruiting than any other school in America? Does that change the fact that I chose Penn because I liked the atmosphere better than other ivies I was admitted to? No, no, and no. But yeah, you’re absolutely right.</p>

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<p>Gugupo:</p>

<p>Well, its a good thing groups like Mckinsey, GS, and Blackstone don’t really care about that.</p>

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<p>Hahaha M&T '14 represent M4L</p>

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<p>You’re both wrong. Penn has the second highest acceptance rate. That doesn’t mean it’s second-easiest. There are many more factors at play here</p>

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<p>Cornell has higher admit rate than Penn. That does not mean that Cornell is easier.</p>

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<p>I don’t know why gugupo is fixated on the minor differences in admission rate among Ivy League schools. It’s not likely to make any difference to him whether Penn is the easiest, the second-easiest, or the ninth-easiest college to get into.</p>