<p>How do you guys rank the ivies and other top schools in terms of how difficult it is to get in (start with the hardest): Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Cornell, Brown, Columbia, U Penn, Dartmouth, MIT, Stanford, Duke, Northwestern, UCLA (out of state), Amherst, UVA.</p>
<p>Yale, Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, Columbia, MIT, Brown, Dartmouth,Penn, Amhearst,UCLA, Duke, Cornell, Northwester and Virginia.</p>
<p>I'd take UCLA, Northwestern, and UVA off that list. Williams, Swarthmore, and Berkley should replace those schools.</p>
<p>Deep Springs, Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, Yale, Columbia, UPenn, MIT, Dartmouth, Duke</p>
<p>Harvard, Yale, Princeton, MIT, Columbia, Brown, Penn (unless you're applying to Wharton or one of their joint degree programs which are even more selective), Dartmouth, Duke, Amherst, Swarthmore, Cornell, UCLA, Northwestern, UVA.</p>
<p>Perhaps posting this in the correct section would attract more replies..</p>
<p>Stanford, Harvard, MIT, Princeton, Yale, Columbia, UC Berkeley, UCLA, Brown, UPenn, Dartmouth, Cornell</p>
<p>BTW...This thread needs to be moved to College Admissions Forum</p>
<p>How in the world do you guys think you can differentiate the selectivity of Brown, Duke, Dartmouth, Amherst, Williams, and Swarthmore so easily? Please! Better to do it in tiers, ie:</p>
<p>a.Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT
b.Amherst, Williams, Swarthmore, Brown, Dartmouth, Duke
c.Northwestern, UCLA (out of state), UVA (out of state)</p>
<p>You just can't do it any other way. Anyways, all the schools you listed are very selective, but please. Who cares if one school admits 2% more applicants or another has average SATs 3 points higher?</p>
<p>The juliard has a really low acceptance rate I know, and deep springs does too I believe</p>
<p>Acceptance rate means little, because the quality of the applicant pool varies. Harvard, for example, eliminates a few thousand "clear admits" in the first review on their pool. University of Chicago has a high acceptance rate (~40%) yet is very, very selective. So it depends on the difficulty of their standards.</p>
<p>amherst, williams, swarthmore all have highly selective pools as well due to the uninformed mass not knowing about the schools.</p>
<p>i'd rank them in the first tier actually</p>
<p>"Harvard, for example, eliminates a few thousand 'clear admits' in the first review on their pool."</p>
<p>Oops, meant "clear rejects."</p>
<p>Kyle, the information on Chicago's self-selectivity was really nice ;-)</p>
<p>I have heard Deep Springs is very difficult to get into. There were only like 26 guys that were picked. It's a very small college. I would assume the applicant pool is much smaller, though.</p>
<p>I'm going with unregistered's response style:</p>
<p>a.Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford
b.MIT, Caltech
c.Amherst, Williams, Swarthmore, Brown, Dartmouth, Duke
d.Northwestern, UCLA (out of state), UVA (out of state)</p>
<p>Other than these separations, you can't really differentiate (haha lol calc) between the schools in each tier. It varies on the applicant.</p>
<p>Agree with unregistered:</p>
<p>a.Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT
b.Amherst, Williams, Swarthmore, Brown, Dartmouth, Duke, Columbia, Penn
c.Northwestern, Cornell</p>
<p>i am sorry, but I have a bit of a problem with these categories</p>
<p>I think that SAT or ACT ranges are more reflective of admissions difficulty than anything else. With that said, Penn's SAT range according to c.b. is 1330-1510, and Northwestern is 1320-1500. Is 10 points a big difference? Granted, they may accept a smaller %, but honestly, does such a difference mean that Penn is so much more competitive than is Northwestern. The same goes for Williams, which has an SAT range of 1320-1520. In addition, Williams only has to fill a class of 500-600 kids. It is so much easier for such a school to fill a class with high testers than it is for Northwestern, which has an entering class that is larger than all 4 classes at Williams. And as for Cornell, they have an SAT range of 1280-1490, which leads me to believe that Cornell should not even be in the same category as Northwestern. Overall, I think that all of these schools are very competitive. Various sub-schools within larger schools such as ILR or Hum Ec at Cornell or the music school at Northwestern are famous for their offerings. They, however, are less stats oriented. As a result, the students in these schools are special in their own right, even if they have SAT scores that deviate from the norm. I knew at Northwestern plenty of music students that had "sub-par" SAT scores and I also knew music students that scored off the charts. What they had in common was their skills in music. Enough of the venting. And lastly, I think that slipper's system is flawed. According to c.b., Stanford accepts 11 percent and has an sat range of 1340-1540 and Brown accepts 13 percent and has a sat range of 1350-1530. Are you trying to say that Stanford is more selective than Brown? Perhaps, that was the case 10 years ago, but no longer does such a notion hold any weight. I would say the same for many of these schools. I think the only 3 that are exceptionally in a different category are HYP and MIT. That is my opinion of course. My tier would probably be the following, if such a tier system is appropriate. </p>
<p>a. Harvard Yale Princeton MIT
b. Stanford Columbia Brown
c. Dartmouth Duke UPenn Amherst Williams Swarthmore
d. Northwestern, U of Chicago, Rice, WUSTL (let's face it, without the dinero they offer, their (Rice and WUSTL) stats would be much less than what they are).
e. Johns Hopkins, Cornell, Gtown
f. Emory, Vanderbilt, USC, UVA, Cal Berk, Carnegie Mellon</p>
<p>etc.</p>
<p>wow nice post nugrad5555</p>
<p>Not as difficult as getting in yo momma... Oooooooooh...!!!</p>
<p>I'm just kidding. If you are offended, I'm sorry, I couldn't help myself. (standard reply to avoid a flame comment)</p>
<p>I personally think that this question is ridiculous. So how are the reply posts going to help you? All you are getting are heavily biased answers that are based on incomplete knowledge of the above mentioned colleges.</p>
<p>Just look at admit percentages, average scores, and other common data set facts and make your own decisions.</p>
<p>USNews says 'Sup yo.</p>
<p>Acceptance Rates
Juilliard School (NY) 5%
Harvard University (MA) 9%
Yale University (CT) 10%
College of the Ozarks (MO) 11%
Princeton University (NJ) 11%
Brigham Young University–Hawaii 11%
Stanford University (CA) 12%
Columbia University (NY) 13%
United States Naval Academy (MD)* 13%
Cooper Union (NY) 13%
Massachusetts Inst. of Technology 14%
United States Military Academy (NY)* 14%
Brown University (RI) 15%
Dartmouth College (NH) 17%
United States Air Force Acad. (CO)* 18%
Morgan State University (MD)* 19%
Amherst College (MA) 19%
Washington University in St. Louis 19%
Williams College (MA) 19%
Pomona College (CA) 19%
Calif. State U.–San Bernardino * 19%
California Institute of Technology 20%
Tougaloo College (MS) 20%
University of Pennsylvania 21%
Claremont McKenna College (CA) 21%
Georgetown University (DC) 22%
Swarthmore College (PA) 22%
Stillman College (AL) 23%
Middlebury College (VT) 24%
Duke University (NC) 24%
Calif. State Poly. Univ.–Pomona * 24%
U.S. Merchant Marine Acad. (NY)* 24%
Bowdoin College (ME) 25%
Flagler College (FL) 25%
Rice University (TX) 25%
Texas College 25%
Mississippi Valley State Univ. * 25%
Haverford College (PA) 26%
United States Coast Guard Acad. (CT)* 26%
University of California–Berkeley * 27%
Univ. of Southern California 27%
Berea College (KY) 27%
Univ. of California–Los Angeles * 27%
Davidson College (NC) 27%
Colgate University (NY) 27%
Cornell University (NY) 27%
Calumet College of St. Joseph (IN) 27%
Barnard College (NY) 27%
Miles College (AL) 28%
Wesleyan University (CT) 28%
California State Univ.–East Bay * 28%
Tufts University (MA) 28%
Pepperdine University (CA) 28%
Vassar College (NY) 29%
Master's Col. and Seminary (CA) 29%
Washington and Lee University (VA) 29%
Bates College (ME) 29%
Carleton College (MN) 29%
Paine College (GA) 29%
Pacific Union College (CA) 29%
Northwestern University (IL) 30%
Kendall College (IL) 30%
Webb Institute (NY) 30%
New England Cons. of Music (MA) 30%
Boston College 31%
SUNY–Purchase College * 31%
California Institute of the Arts 31%
College of William and Mary (VA)* 31%
University of Notre Dame (IN) 32%
Bard College (NY) 32%
Delta State University (MS)* 33%
U. of South Carolina–Upstate * 33%
Rhode Island School of Design 33%
CUNY–Baruch College * 33%
Kentucky State University * 33%
Wellesley College (MA) 34%
Cleveland Institute of Music 34%
Southwestern College (KS) 34%
CUNY–Lehman College * 34%
Oberlin College (OH) 34%
Bucknell University (PA) 34%
Johns Hopkins University (MD) 35%
Columbia Union College (MD) 35%
Lane College (TN) 35%
Lincoln University (PA)* 35%
Vanderbilt University (TN) 35%
Connecticut College 35%
CUNY–Hunter College * 35%
Savannah State University (GA)* 36%
Hamilton College (NY) 36%
Harvey Mudd College (CA) 36%
Kenyon College (OH) 36%
U. of North Carolina–Chapel Hill * 37%
Emory University (GA) 37%
Johnson C. Smith University (NC) 37%
New York University 37%
Clayton State University (GA)* 37%
Babson College (MA) 37%
Lafayette College (PA) 37%
George Washington University (DC) 37%
Colby College (ME) 38%
Colorado College 38%
LeMoyne-Owen College (TN) 38%
Emmanuel College (GA) 38%
University of Virginia * 38%
Brenau University (GA) 38%
Brandeis University (MA) 38%
Talladega College (AL) 38%
Central State University (OH)* 38%
La Sierra University (CA) 38%</p>
<p>Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Stanford
MIT
Caltech
Columbia
Duke
Pomona
Harvey Mudd
Amherst
Brown
Williams
Dartmouth
Cornell</p>